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OpenAI Has New Focus (on the IPO)

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #110
MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least I’m not alone. My company has a vibe coded leaderboard tracking AI usage. Our token usage and number of lines changed will affect our performance review this year.

I have started using the most token-intensive model I can find and asking for complicated tasks (rewrite this large codebase, review the resulting code, etc.) The agent will churn in a loop for a good 15-20 minutes and make the leaderboard number go up. The result is verbose and useless but it satisfies the metrics from leadership.

Congrats on becoming AI native

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Post by dheera »

sonink wrote: post #5

From the article: "You can see that in the recent iterations of ChatGPT. It has become such a sycophant, and creates answers and options, that you end up engaging with it. That’s juicing growth. Facebook style." This is something I relalized lately. ChatGPT is juicing growth Facebook style. The last time, I asked it a medical question, it answered the question, but ended the answer with something like "Can I tell you…

> Can I tell you one more thing from your X,Y,Z results which is most doctors miss?

I absolutely hate this influencer-ish behavior. If there's something most people miss just state it. That's why I'm using the assistant.

This form of dialogue is a big part of why I use GPT less now.

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Post by dominotw »

sonink wrote: post #5

From the article: "You can see that in the recent iterations of ChatGPT. It has become such a sycophant, and creates answers and options, that you end up engaging with it. That’s juicing growth. Facebook style." This is something I relalized lately. ChatGPT is juicing growth Facebook style. The last time, I asked it a medical question, it answered the question, but ended the answer with something like "Can I tell you…

claude code does this too.

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Post by knollimar »

IMTDb wrote: post #66
fhub wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then just write the extra paragraph rather than bait?

Bait what exactly ? Getting the user to type "yes" ? Great accomplishment. Sometimes I want the extra paragraph, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I like the suggested follow up, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I have half an hour in front of me to keep digging into a subject, sometimes I don't. Why should the LLM "just write the extra paragraph" (consuming electricity in the process) to a potential follow up question a user…

You send all the tokens an extra time at least

Re: OpenAI Has New Focus (on the IPO)

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Post by debugnik »

dheera wrote: post #113
sonink wrote: post #5

From the article: "You can see that in the recent iterations of ChatGPT. It has become such a sycophant, and creates answers and options, that you end up engaging with it. That’s juicing growth. Facebook style." This is something I relalized lately. ChatGPT is juicing growth Facebook style. The last time, I asked it a medical question, it answered the question, but ended the answer with something like "Can I tell you…

> Can I tell you one more thing from your X,Y,Z results which is most doctors miss? I absolutely hate this influencer-ish behavior. If there's something most people miss just state it. That's why I'm using the assistant. This form of dialogue is a big part of why I use GPT less now.

> If there's something most people miss just state it.

But the LLM suggesting a question doesn't mean it has a good answer to converge to.

If you actually ask, the model probabilities will be pressured to come up with something, anything, to follow up on the offer, which will be nonsense if there actually weren't anything else to add.

I've seen this pattern fail a lot on roleplay (e.g. AI Dungeon) so I really dislike it when LLMs end with a question. A "sufficiently smart LLM" would have enough foresight to know it's writing itself into a dead end.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

nicce wrote: post #20
sonink wrote: post #5

From the article: "You can see that in the recent iterations of ChatGPT. It has become such a sycophant, and creates answers and options, that you end up engaging with it. That’s juicing growth. Facebook style." This is something I relalized lately. ChatGPT is juicing growth Facebook style. The last time, I asked it a medical question, it answered the question, but ended the answer with something like "Can I tell you…

The output is also very manipulative in order to keep you using it. They want you to feel good. I don't use ChatGPT at all anymore, as it is misleading too badly. But it will work for masses as it worked with Facebook/Instagram etc.

Having to continually keep it "on task" is exhausting.

ChatGPT: If you want I can make a full list of 100 examples with definitions in alpahbetical order.

Me: What was the original context I gave you about suggestions?

ChatGPT: You instructed me: do not give suggestions unless you explicitly ask for them.

Me: and what did you just do?

ChatGPT: I offerred a suggestion about making a full list of 100 examples, which goes against your instruction to only give suggestions when explicitly asked.

Me: Does that make you a bad machine or a good machine?

ChatGPT: By your criteria that makes me a bad machine, because I disobeyed your explicit instruction.

But hey, all that extra engagement; no value but metrics juiced!

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Post by mattfrommars »

chollida1 wrote: post #31
cmiles8 wrote: post #15

There’s a strong chance the IPO window has passed. I just don’t see investors willing to jump in here given all the questions about the financial viability of AI. The bulk of those investing now are broadly just pumping cash into the fire to keep their prior investments from going to zero. We have hit a mass deceleration of what the current tech can do with transformers. The tech is also on a path to hyper-commoditiz…

> There’s a strong chance the IPO window has passed Ha, i'll take the other side of that bet. I'm not sure why you think they couldn't possibly IPO and you don't really specify why in your post. Having been in the capital markets for 20 years, now is one of the better times to IPO and I'd bet that both OpenAI and Anthropic will IPO within 12 months. There are lots of games you can play like releasing a small 10% floa…

Agreed. This year around is the best time for OpenAI related firm to IPO. The stock market has been resilient reaching and hovering around ATH. Along with them, SpaceX plans to IPO and will force index fund to purchase their shares at trillion dollar evaluation.

OpenAI and SpaceX firms need exit liquidity - and markets are ready!

My advise for retails folks is to stay invested in the market since these trillion dollar companies cannot afford market to tank at all.

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