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Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by tho23i42342397 »

Interesting. Does this actually scale though ? I've never seen enterprises which have "internal knowledge" in proper readable form - it's often in code, and more importantly in people who wrote them.

I recall that even at Google - with its own search engine and so on - the best way to understand anything was to read code or to reach out to those who wrote them. I don't know how it works in places that work with the "real world" like ASML.

Often the issue is not even about documentation - it's just that it's extremely hard to include all the nuances in text and still have it be readable (code-documentation comes to mind).

Interestingly, I strongly feel that this also where LLMs (and some of our more textually-obsessed academics) fail.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by soco »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #93
lelanthran wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think that this is the best approach for businesses wanting to adopt AI to automate, streamline, etc their business. The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. If they can pull ahead in having the most number of pre-trained models (one for this ERP, one for that CRM, etc) and then being able to close sales to companies using these products and sell them on post-tr…

> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

Mistral is still hosted on US providers, their EU centers are only in planning. Data access aside, if AWS or Azure (or Cloudflare) are ordered to pull the plug, it's still goodbye Mistral. Unless you use a third party hoster that is, or do it yourself of course - already possible.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by newswasboring »

soco wrote: post #108
newswasboring wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

To me it's obvious because the size of companies they are targeting (ASML being an obvious one). I think golf course marketing works well in the EU context when decisions are being made not purely on tech reasons.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by fnord123 »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #35
mark_l_watson wrote: post #5

I am rooting for Mistral with their different approach: not really competing on the largest and advanced models, instead doing custom engineering for customers and generally serving the needs of EU customers.

first, there was .ai next, it sounds like it's going to be .eu but what about ai.eu

> but what about ai.eu

oh, .. why?

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by lelanthran »

drstewart wrote: post #98
Lapel2742 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

This moat doesn't seem to be much of a moat considering a non-US model doesn't even crack the top 5 by usage - except DeepSeek, which would be a strange choice for Europeans looking for data sovereignty.

> This moat doesn't seem to be much of a moat considering a non-US model doesn't even crack the top 5 by usage - except DeepSeek, which would be a strange choice for Europeans looking for data sovereignty.

Hang on, where are you getting the numbers from? I looked and I couldn't find any numbers on enterprises who opened their wallets for custom-trained models.

I looked, and because I believed that it might be a good business opportunity to explore, I did spend a bit of time trying to find numbers. I came away with the feeling that the winner in the AI space is going to be whoever successfully whitelabels their offering.

Right now that is Mistral, I think.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by amonith »

soco wrote: post #112
Lapel2742 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

Mistral is still hosted on US providers, their EU centers are only in planning. Data access aside, if AWS or Azure (or Cloudflare) are ordered to pull the plug, it's still goodbye Mistral. Unless you use a third party hoster that is, or do it yourself of course - already possible.

To extend on that a little bit: they use data centers located in EU, but owned by US cloud providers. They can still pull the plug ofc, so it's only a small difference, but still

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by input_sh »

drstewart wrote: post #102
spiderfarmer wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While few companies announce this publicly, I know from personal experience with corporate clients that many companies are preparing for Trump to use Big Tech as a bargaining chip. And they should. Because the US is not behaving rationally at all. https://nltimes.nl/2026/02/10/rabobank-ing-abn-amro-seek-eur... https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/13/gartner_cio_cloud_sov... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eur…

>While few companies announce this publicly, I know from personal experience with corporate clients Well I have even more personal experience that contradicts yours, and this isn't true at all. Everyone uses Claude / Gemini / OpenAI. Mistral isn't even on the table.

Come on, compared to Google Workspace / Microsoft's whatever-it's-called-these-days, the cost of switching from one LLM provider to another is pretty much zero.

Having an option at the back of your mind is all it takes right now, until push comes to shove of course.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by lis »

kioleanu wrote: post #90
Manfred wrote: post #87

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I had the same experience. It's even more confusing when you want to create an API key because they are separated by product, maybe?

no, the key is actually universal, you can't choose a specific product

It depends. The key for their vibe-cli is actually different. You need to get a separate key if you have a subscription and don't want to pay API usage prices.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by MidnightRider39 »

soco wrote: post #108
newswasboring wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

In my experience devs rarely have anything to say in B2B contracts. At best they can recommend a solution to the decision maker, but in almost all deals i was a part of they didn’t have any influence on the final decision. I wish it were otherwise but alas
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