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The Wyden Siren Goes Off Again: We’ll Be “Stunned” By What the NSA Is Doing

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Re: The Wyden Siren Goes Off Again: We’ll Be “Stunned” By What the NSA Is Doing

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Post by Polizeiposaune »

briffle wrote: post #21
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #13

Everyone who's not terribly worried about privacy always uses the line 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about', but my line of thinking is not 'do i trust the government' it's 'do I have faith in all future forms of government who will have access to this data' Given how fast and lose I've seen the DODGE folks play with the data they have, absolutely not . I still shudder over the fact t…

I have seen what happens with garbage-in/garbage-out in databases, so this kind of stuff terrifies me. I often think of a case where we had a person listed twice in our database, with same address, birthday, etc, only thing different was gender, and last 2 digits of SSN were transposed.. After we 'fixed' the issue a few times, they BOTH showed up to our office. Both Named Leslie, born on same day, a few small towns a…

A couple years ago the WSJ had a feature article on the phenomenon of married couples who shared the same given name:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/taylor-lautner-taylor-dome-wife...

Re: The Wyden Siren Goes Off Again: We’ll Be “Stunned” By What the NSA Is Doing

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

rootusrootus wrote: post #74

One of the things I am proud of as an Oregonian is that Wyden is one of my senators. And it looks like maybe, possibly, he is starting to make Merkeley a true believer as well. Which is good, Wyden is getting kinda old, and there aren't enough people like him in Congress, by a long shot.

> Wyden is getting kinda old, and there aren't enough people like him in Congress, by a long shot.

I can't name another indisputably ethical congressman. I dread the day he leaves office.

Re: The Wyden Siren Goes Off Again: We’ll Be “Stunned” By What the NSA Is Doing

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Post by BoredPositron »

pardon_me wrote: post #102
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone who's not terribly worried about privacy always uses the line 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about', "Saying you don't need privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say." - Edward Snowden

Locks on bathroom doors are for privacy, not security.

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Re: The Wyden Siren Goes Off Again: We’ll Be “Stunned” By What the NSA Is Doing

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Post by smcin »

fragmede wrote: post #37
kasey_junk wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone ever actually use that line? Most people will argue that the trade off in privacy is worth it for security. That is, if you frame your argument such that you believe people don’t understand the trade off it allows you to not engage with the fact they just disagree with your conclusion.

The mistake would be reading Hacker News and walking away with the conclusion that because people don't post that reasoning here that it doesn't exist (and even then, you do find that does come up here on occasion). People with "nothing to hide" do actually believe that, and while they may not post it to HN for vigorous debate. The easy counterexample from history is the list of Jews kept by the Netherlands which was…

To correct the mangling of history, there was no "list of Jews kept by the Netherlands [pre-occupation]". There were only pre-existing Dutch population registries of all people, where the personal details collected by the Dutch had included religion, not for any ill purpose.

(The Nazis subsequently compiled a list, post-occupation, but that's not what you asserted.)

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Post by MentatOnMelange »

BoredPositron wrote: post #113
pardon_me wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Locks on bathroom doors are for privacy, not security.

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You realize that without the door it would be even more obvious whether the stall is occupied?

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Post by kerkeslager »

kasey_junk wrote: post #26
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #13

Everyone who's not terribly worried about privacy always uses the line 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about', but my line of thinking is not 'do i trust the government' it's 'do I have faith in all future forms of government who will have access to this data' Given how fast and lose I've seen the DODGE folks play with the data they have, absolutely not . I still shudder over the fact t…

Does anyone ever actually use that line? Most people will argue that the trade off in privacy is worth it for security. That is, if you frame your argument such that you believe people don’t understand the trade off it allows you to not engage with the fact they just disagree with your conclusion.

> Does anyone ever actually use that line?

Yes, I've heard that exact wording from cops.

From normal people, the more common way of saying it is along the lines of "well I don't really care if the cops see anything on my computer".

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Post by RyanShook »

JohnMakin wrote: post #15

I can't imagine it's anything people haven't been suspecting for years - if I had to take a wild guess, it's the government's interpretation of not needing a warrant to scour things for intelligence on citizens using things like adtech and stuff that probably should require a warrant.

Does anyone today think their communication is truly private? Encryption means very little when you hold zero-day exploits and as we’ve seen there are plenty of those.

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Post by mogwire »

anigbrowl wrote: post #49

The whole concept of 'secret interpretations of law' is anathema to me. Secret information makes sense, there are lots of reasons a government might legitimately want to maintain a veil of obscurity. Secret interpretations of law are a manifestation of tyranny. I like Ron Wyden but he should just employ his Congressional privilege here and read it out.

Coincidentally, there’s an article about this exact topic and it happens to mention Senator Wyden.

https://www.pointoforder.com/2013/08/06/congressional-releas...

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Post by JohnMakin »

RyanShook wrote: post #117
JohnMakin wrote: post #15

I can't imagine it's anything people haven't been suspecting for years - if I had to take a wild guess, it's the government's interpretation of not needing a warrant to scour things for intelligence on citizens using things like adtech and stuff that probably should require a warrant.

Does anyone today think their communication is truly private? Encryption means very little when you hold zero-day exploits and as we’ve seen there are plenty of those.

you dont need exploits for privacy incursions, it’s all for sale

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Post by jackyinger »

MentatOnMelange wrote: post #115
BoredPositron wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You realize that without the door it would be even more obvious whether the stall is occupied?

It's not about it being occupied, it is about what is happening inside.
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