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Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by roysting »

superb_dev wrote: post #90
autoexec wrote: post #22

How is this not fraud, or at least false advertising? If I'm paying money to chat with a specific sex worker how is it even legal to let some random dude in a third world country pretend to be the person I'm supposed to be talking to? I've never personally engaged in these types of systems, but I don't think there's a problem with them as long as they are run honestly. It sounds like Onlyfans is exploiting workers an…

I can’t believe that someone paying for this actually expects to chat with the model. Just think of the logistics, it would be impossible

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Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by matheusmoreira »

autoexec wrote: post #22

How is this not fraud, or at least false advertising? If I'm paying money to chat with a specific sex worker how is it even legal to let some random dude in a third world country pretend to be the person I'm supposed to be talking to? I've never personally engaged in these types of systems, but I don't think there's a problem with them as long as they are run honestly. It sounds like Onlyfans is exploiting workers an…

It is fraud but nobody cares anymore. Laws only matter if you're defrauding rich corporations with pockets deep enough to actually pay lawyers to sue you over it.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by zozbot234 »

superb_dev wrote: post #90
autoexec wrote: post #22

How is this not fraud, or at least false advertising? If I'm paying money to chat with a specific sex worker how is it even legal to let some random dude in a third world country pretend to be the person I'm supposed to be talking to? I've never personally engaged in these types of systems, but I don't think there's a problem with them as long as they are run honestly. It sounds like Onlyfans is exploiting workers an…

I can’t believe that someone paying for this actually expects to chat with the model. Just think of the logistics, it would be impossible

> I can’t believe that someone paying for this actually expects to chat with the model. Just think of the logistics, it would be impossible

It's not impossible, you can do it with a little bit of fine tuning starting from her history of chats on the platform, and having her set a custom user-level prompt where she lists her interests, hobbies and things she likes. Then give her auto-compacted daily or weekly summaries of the most compelling chats. It's a model either way, right?

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by palata »

sneak wrote: post #105
sequoia wrote: post #96

I find it sad that there's a story of people (mostly women) doing this disgusting job for little pay (yes, chatting up horny men online because you need the money is disgusting, there's no glamour and little dignity to it), and the top comment is how this is unfair to the john (purchaser of sex work) because it's misleading.

Sex work is work. They’re not being coerced. There’s no more or less dignity to it than being a waitress or checkout clerk. It’s no more or less disgusting than being a hospice nurse or a garbage collector. It’s just a job. Jobs are not inherently fraudulent, however. A deal is a deal, and this is plainly fraud. It is unfair to the purchaser, and it is not unfair to the people who voluntarily accept these jobs (when…

> it is not unfair to the people who voluntarily accept these jobs (when other jobs are obviously available).

Are you saying that jobs are obviously available in this case, or are you saying that it is not unfair under the condition that other jobs are obviously available? That's very different.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by nradov »

enriquto wrote: post #97
sneak wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not exploitation unless the participants in the deal are being coerced. You can’t make a solid case for employees being coerced to work for an exploitative employer outside of company towns or non-functioning labor markets; neither of these apply to the Philippines. If the chatter thought the job was so bad, they can quit and get a different one. Millions of people make that choice, it is available to them. Ther…

> unless the participants in the deal are being coerced. Here's the nice thing about it: they are! If they don't work (for any of the equally exploitative companies in their country) they die.

And yet lots of people don't work for companies and still manage not to die. I wonder how they do it? A mystery, I guess.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by roysting »

vimda wrote: post #4
anovikov wrote: post #2

Now this is almost entirely automated anyway, there is a big adult ecosystem here in Cyprus and i talk to a lot of people. No manual work is used there anymore, "chatters" are a thing of the past. Now they are well on the path to automate OnlyFans models themselves, there are plenty of hybrid sites where known live models are attracted with good terms to bring in the users, and then slowly switched for AI ones, and i…

God that's depressing. Even when you _pay_ for human connection you're being fobbed off onto an AI

Ironically, I was trying to explain to someone I know that was somewhat considering getting into that milieu that what such people are really doing is selling affection to an affection deprived audience. Every person that sells themselves has the same orifices and they more or less all look the same, and everyone has seen thousands of them by now. The differentiation is the connection and being able to identify the particular sad void needing to be fill.

AI will make this really bad, because it will surely quickly learn how to tap into your deepest impulses and desires for connection and affection. It sounds weird, but in a way, there is some strong correlation between other forms of fraud, the most obvious being romance cons/frauds; where women are not looking for big rods, but for romance lady boners... yet another form of seeing affection.

Some of us harm ourselves for a lack of an affection, others fall prey to it making them vulnerable. I do hope that AI could and will also be used to help people get a semblance of healthy affection, if not maybe even facilitate making real connections that can provide real human affection.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by johannes1234321 »

ahnick wrote: post #84
mingus88 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is fraud. However, one thing has become crystal clear lately is that laws are only as good as we have systems in place that are willing and able to enforce them. And further, scamming people in the context of sex has always been easy because of the shame in admitting you fell for it. Imagine filing a report that you spent thousands of dollars chatting with some random person, having the chat logs submitted as evid…

> laws are only as good as we have systems in place that are willing and ABLE to enforce them. The 'able' part is the critical insight. Laws are too often passed that really have no ability to be enforced, but end up adding bureaucratic processes that law abiding companies have to follow. This also implies that governments need to actively clean up existing laws, which almost never happens unless there is enough supp…

There is also that international problem. If an South American is frauded on an US American platform, by an east European using an African fake chatter: Which legislation, which court is applicable? Which oversight authority should handle this?

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by fn-mote »

enriquto wrote: post #97
sneak wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not exploitation unless the participants in the deal are being coerced. You can’t make a solid case for employees being coerced to work for an exploitative employer outside of company towns or non-functioning labor markets; neither of these apply to the Philippines. If the chatter thought the job was so bad, they can quit and get a different one. Millions of people make that choice, it is available to them. Ther…

> unless the participants in the deal are being coerced. Here's the nice thing about it: they are! If they don't work (for any of the equally exploitative companies in their country) they die.

They are being coerced to participate in the capitalist system, maybe. Not to be a “chatter”.

No argument against protections, though.

Re: Life as an OnlyFans 'chatter'

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Post by vova_hn2 »

anovikov wrote: post #2

Now this is almost entirely automated anyway, there is a big adult ecosystem here in Cyprus and i talk to a lot of people. No manual work is used there anymore, "chatters" are a thing of the past. Now they are well on the path to automate OnlyFans models themselves, there are plenty of hybrid sites where known live models are attracted with good terms to bring in the users, and then slowly switched for AI ones, and i…

Saw a funny video [0] in the music-adjacent part of YouTube about an Instagram trend when man record themselves playing a musical instrument (usually guitar), then use AI video editing to turn themselves into scantily clad women and use these videos to lure people into viewing their adult content (also AI generated).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqrJgjrBV2I (it's a very short video, only 45 seconds)

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