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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by 10xDev »

kivle wrote: post #75
causal wrote: post #31

It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.

I switched from ChatGPT Plus to Gemini Pro instead of Claude, since I'm a hobbyist and appreciate having more than just text chat and coding assist with my subscription (image gen, video gen, etc are all nice to have). At first I found the Gemini Code Assist to be absolutely terrible, bordering on unusable. It would mess up parameter order for function calls in simple 200 line Python. But then I found out about the "…

With Gemini Pro on Antigravity you get a quota reset every 5 hours and access to Claude Opus 4.6. That's what I use at home and don't need anything else.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by 112233 »

112233 wrote: post #106
causal wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> psyops targeted at making user doubt their computer IDEK what that means, specific examples?

The following is a dramatic reenactment of an observed behaviour /discl. You are making tool X. It currently processes test dataset in 15 seconds. You ask claude code to implement some change. It modifies code, compiles, runs the test - the tool sits in a 100% CPU busyloop. Possible reactions on being told there is a busy loop: "the program is processing large amount of data. This is normal operation. I will wait unt…

(Unrelated but I'm really curious) The above comment got downvoted within few seconds of me pressing "reply". Is there some advanced hackernews reader software that allows such immediate reaction (via some in-notification controls)? Or is that builtin site reaction? Or a sign of a bot? Because the speed was uncanny.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by rkomorn »

112233 wrote: post #112
112233 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The following is a dramatic reenactment of an observed behaviour /discl. You are making tool X. It currently processes test dataset in 15 seconds. You ask claude code to implement some change. It modifies code, compiles, runs the test - the tool sits in a 100% CPU busyloop. Possible reactions on being told there is a busy loop: "the program is processing large amount of data. This is normal operation. I will wait unt…

(Unrelated but I'm really curious) The above comment got downvoted within few seconds of me pressing "reply". Is there some advanced hackernews reader software that allows such immediate reaction (via some in-notification controls)? Or is that builtin site reaction? Or a sign of a bot? Because the speed was uncanny.

That may actually have been me accidentally downvoting as I was scrolling through with my clumsy thumb.

Double whammy, I guess, because I also always downvote comments asking (or complaining) about a parent comment getting downvoted.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by indigodaddy »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #99
nradov wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why the frontier LLM companies are now spending a lot more to license exclusive proprietary training data from private sources in order to gain a quality edge in certain business domains.

so can it be the one that gets ahead on having people go find things for them - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47285283

Interesting

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by indigodaddy »

10xDev wrote: post #111
kivle wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from ChatGPT Plus to Gemini Pro instead of Claude, since I'm a hobbyist and appreciate having more than just text chat and coding assist with my subscription (image gen, video gen, etc are all nice to have). At first I found the Gemini Code Assist to be absolutely terrible, bordering on unusable. It would mess up parameter order for function calls in simple 200 line Python. But then I found out about the "…

With Gemini Pro on Antigravity you get a quota reset every 5 hours and access to Claude Opus 4.6. That's what I use at home and don't need anything else.

Didn't they tighten that quota WAY down though since everyone caught on to the AG/Opus game?

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by kolinko »

kivle wrote: post #75
causal wrote: post #31

It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.

I switched from ChatGPT Plus to Gemini Pro instead of Claude, since I'm a hobbyist and appreciate having more than just text chat and coding assist with my subscription (image gen, video gen, etc are all nice to have). At first I found the Gemini Code Assist to be absolutely terrible, bordering on unusable. It would mess up parameter order for function calls in simple 200 line Python. But then I found out about the "…

With Claude you just tell it to set up whatever it needs and you have a smooth access to everything. Mine uses Nanobanana for image generation, Sora for video, Gemini for supplementary image processing and so on. Setting up each one was 5-10 min of Claude’s work

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by dghlsakjg »

ghywertelling wrote: post #105
politelemon wrote: post #94

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In fact, here, I'll do it myself.

You are missing the correlations that Claude can derive across all these user sessions across all users. In Google analytics, when I visit a page and navigate around till I find what I was looking for or didn't find it, that session data is important for website owners how to optimize. Even in Google search results, when I think on 6th link and not the first, it sends a signal how to rearrange the results next time o…

The underlying technology is a thin layer of queryable knowledge/“memories” in between you and the llm, that in turn gets added to the context of your message to the llm. Likely RAG. It can be as simple as a agents.md that you give it permission to modify as needed. I really don’t think that they are correlating your “memories” with other people’s conversations. There is no way for the LLM to know what is or isn’t appropriate to share between sessions, at the moment. That functionality may exist in the future, but if you just export your preferences, it still works.

The moat - at this point in time - is really not as deep and wide as you are making it out to be. What you are imagining doesn’t exist yet. Indexing prior conversations is trivially easy at this point, you can do it locally using an api client right this moment.

Besides all that, you will be shocked at how quickly a new service can reconstruct your preferences. I started a new YouTube account, and it was basically the same feed within a few days.

In any case, my feeling is that we should have learned at this point not to keep our data in someone else’s walled garden.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by bestouff »

Max-Ganz-II wrote: post #107
groestl wrote: post #69

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> are so evenly matched It's because the real value of the models is in what we (humanity) fed them, and all of them have eaten the same thing for free.

To stop this, I today put most of my Amazon Redshift research web-site behind a basic auth username/password wall. It's all remains free, but you need to email me for a username and password. If I put in time and effort to make content and OpenAI et al copy it and sell it through their LLM such that no one comes to me any more, then plainly it makes no sense for me to create that content; and then it would not exist…

An AI is more likely than me to take the time to send you an email for requesting access - I'm too lazy.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Post by dghlsakjg »

oytis wrote: post #64
cmiles8 wrote: post #44

All this demonstrates how non-sticky all this tech really is. When your product is basically just an API call it’s trivial to just swap you out for someone else. As such it’s unclear what the prize at the end of the present race to the bottom is. We swapped OpenAI out for Claude and it required updating about 15 lines of code. All these guys are just commodity to us. If next week there’s a better supplier of commodit…

> someone else We have basically 4 companies in the world one can seriously consider, and they all seem to heavily subsidise usage, so under normal market conditions not all of them are going to survive.

Open Router shows that commodity api providers have figured out how to do this unsubsidized.

The training runs aren’t priced in, but the cost of inference is clearly pretty cheap.

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