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Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

bookofjoe wrote: post #87
cmiles8 wrote: post #14

There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…

>Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. I remember growing up and always hearing "The computer is down" as an excuse for why things were cancelled/offices closed/buses and trains not running/ad infinitum. At some point I read a article that pointed out that the reason the computer was down was because a person made a [coding] error: the computer itself…

You are running on a outdated model of the world. That one of only discipline keeps people working, keeps them productive, keeps the in line.

We saw how that worked out in Soviet Russia and the culture it gave birth to in its aftermath. Artificially held up discipline by institutions and hierarchies is worthless. It only encourages subversion and thus most of the productivity is wasted on hunting for laziness and updating of ever more intricate behavioral programing rules, which make the organization ever more unable to react fast and decisive.

The only discipline worth a damn is intrinsic. People who want something, want to get somewhere. They need no shepards and prison guards, they need only a support harness, they need resources and people concerned about them. The culture that produces such people is required for things to succeed. Any culture that does not, can not succeed and is basically a parasite to cultures who do.

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by jacquesm »

torben-friis wrote: post #51
cmiles8 wrote: post #14

There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…

I think this is an even clearer case than usual. With software engineers and office work you don’t have legal limitations on who can perform the work, but they exist for lawyers and doctors for example. So if this is a tool, the fault lies fully in the user, and if this is treated as “another persons work” then the user knowingly passed the work onto someone not authorized to do it. Both end up in the user being guil…

> With software engineers and office work you don’t have legal limitations on who can perform the work

Technically true, but if you want the IP to be covered by copyright you better make sure they're not using AI or you'll find out that there are some serious legal limitations in your future when you aim to either pick up investment or sell your IP.

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by jacquesm »

amelius wrote: post #66
cmiles8 wrote: post #14

There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…

We should have more hygiene when it comes to AI. Text coming out of an LLM should be in a special codeblock of Unicode, so we can see it is generated by AI. Failing to do so (or tampering with it) should be considered bad hygiene, and should be treated like a doctor who doesn't wash their hands before surgery.

> Text coming out of an LLM should be in a special codeblock of Unicode, so we can see it is generated by AI.

That's exactly my proposed solution:

https://jacquesmattheij.com/classes-of-originality/

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by jacquesm »

jazzypants wrote: post #70
general_reveal wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, AI is going to be like when land lines became unnecessary when cellphones showed up in India. India may get to skip an entire intellectual generation due to the ability of a cheap model to educate (in any language). The narrative that an entire population are “worth” less, paid less , know less, live less … Fuck this less shit, embrace the paradigm shift. God is finally providing the remedial support through the…

We've had YouTube for two decades now. Cheap education was already available for those who wanted it.

Youtube is insanely ineffecient compared to a good AI model in interactive mode.

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by general_reveal »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #104
general_reveal wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, AI is going to be like when land lines became unnecessary when cellphones showed up in India. India may get to skip an entire intellectual generation due to the ability of a cheap model to educate (in any language). The narrative that an entire population are “worth” less, paid less , know less, live less … Fuck this less shit, embrace the paradigm shift. God is finally providing the remedial support through the…

I don't know if you've ever been to India, but one of its characteristic features is that it has lots of local languages. LLMs are awful at almost all of them. Plus, there's 20ish% of the population that falls below the literacy threshold. It's hard to imagine how those people would be educated by LLMs even if that was a good idea and they all had reliable Internet access, which they often don't.

Why’s it hard to imagine? More training data will solve whatever language lapses it has. The next miracle is that TTS is perfect now, so they don’t need to be able to read.

You can convey abstract concepts as alternate abstractions, explain like I’m five but on turbosteroids. It’s the ultimate teaching tool and it’s about to be ubiquitous.

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by beachtaxidriver »

WarmWash wrote: post #84
cmiles8 wrote: post #14

There will be many more things like this and it’s an elephant in the room for the supposed mass replacement of people with AI. Some human still has to be accountable. Someone has to get fired / go to jail when something screws up. You can make humans more productive but for the foreseeable future you can’t take the human out of the loop to have an AI implementation that’s not a disaster/lawsuit waiting to happen. Tha…

>why so many companies are now saying they see zero ROI from AI efforts. I strongly suspect this is because workers are pocketing the gains for themselves. Report XYZ usually takes a week to write. It now takes a day. The other 4 days are spent looking busy. The MIT report that found all these companies were getting nowhere with AI, also found that almost every worker was using AI almost daily. But using their person…

Because the amount of ai slop code from peers and the amount of ai slop emails to read from management has exploded.

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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malshe wrote: post #103
mikelitoris wrote: post #74

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You had two choices: 1) read the article or 2) be racist about Indians. You chose 2. From the article: > In October, two federal judges in the US were called out for the use of AI tools which led to errors in their rulings. In June 2025, the High Court of England and Wales warned lawyers not to use AI-generated case material after a series of cases cited fictitious or partially made up rulings.

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Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by delecti »

direwolf20 wrote: post #55
hypeatei wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why LLMs won't replace humans wholesale in any profession: you can't hold a machine accountable. Most of the chatbot experiences I have with various support channels always end up with human intervention anyway when it involves money. Maybe true general intelligence would solve these issues, but LLMs aren't meeting that threshold anytime soon, imo. Stochastic parrots won't rule the world.

This is exactly why LLMs will replace humans: even if the work is crap, nobody will be accountable for the crap work, and it saves money.

Work where "crap" is an acceptable level of quality is work that probably doesn't need to be done.

So I think it's more likely that LLMs unravels the "bullshit jobs" entirely, rather than replacing them with crap. Once people realize it didn't matter if the output sucked, they'll realize the output wasn't needed in the first place.

Re: India's top court angry after junior judge cites fake AI-generated orders

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Post by [deleted] »

n1b0m wrote: post #30
chris_wot wrote: post #18

In Australia, our universities are finding that a large proportion of Indian students have been using GenAI for cheating. Often they get away with it. I'm not saying that people other than Indian overseas students cheat, but it does seem more entrenched. I'd love to know why. It doesn't actually help in the long term!

Indian students have embraced GenAI at a rate significantly higher than the global average, with nearly 90% of students in some surveys actively using these tools. Government Policy and National Initiatives: The National Education Policy (NEP 2020) has shifted the focus toward digital literacy. The government has introduced AI as a skill subject for younger grades and launched programs like AI for All to promote nati…

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