OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by Robdel12 » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:23 AM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #79

Robdel12 wrote: post #44

Raise your hand if you actually read it or if you read the title and replied? I see a lot of comments that sure seem like they didn’t read it. > Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our…

The problem is that many of those would-be fact checkers have massive incentives to lie about it. So regardless of whether it is true, you're going to see a number of detailed and well-researched pieces over the weekend arguing that Altman is right and this whole thing is Anthropic's fault. The set of people who could cause OpenAI to burn and the set of people who have millions of dollars riding on its success substa…

Yeah, you’re right. I’m overly hopeful and naïve

Edit: as soon as I hit submit I realized this might sound condescending, but I actually mean this lol

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by insane_dreamer » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:23 AM UTC

I'm never using an OpenAI model or Codex ever again. Period. Idaf whether it scores better than Claude on benchmarks or not.

This is a red line for me. It's clear OpenAI has zero values and will give Hesgeth whatever he wants in exchange for $$$.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/27/technology/openai-reaches...

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by m4rtink » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:23 AM UTC

So this is indeed how OpenAI survives (a little bit longer ?) - government bailout.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by granzymes » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:24 AM UTC

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

>Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement.

Have we been watching the same Trump admin for the last year? That sound exactly like something the government would do: pointlessly throw a fit and end up signing a worse deal after blowing up all political capital.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by insane_dreamer » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:24 AM UTC

karmasimida wrote: post #100

AbstractH24 wrote: post #97

It’s amazing how quickly the players keep shifting here. Yesterday and the day before sentiment seemed to be focused on “Anthropic selling out”, then that shifted to “Anthropic holds true to its principles in a David vs Goliath” and “the industry will rally around one another for the greater good.” But suddenly we’re seeing a new narrative of “Evil OpenAI swoops in to make a deal with the devil.” Reminds of that week…

Sam is a player and honestly the more interesting one in the whole thing. Mad respect to Sam, now I believe OpenAI have better chance to win in the race

Hitler won the race in the 1930s too. Totally crushed it.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by sigmar » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:25 AM UTC

vineyardmike wrote: post #33

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

Nah. It's possible that the agreement still supports the required terms. There is more to this story behind the scenes. The government wanted to show power and control over our companies and industries. They didn’t need those terms for any specific utility, they wanted to fight “woke” business that stood up to them. Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). Maybe they offered it cheaper a…

>Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms

"we put them into our agreement." is strange framing is Altman's tweet. Makes me think the agreement does mention the principles, but doesn't state them as binding rules DoD must follow.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by biophysboy » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:26 AM UTC

nearlyepic wrote: post #70

corford wrote: post #43

If you're unhappy with this, an immediate way to signal it is with your wallet. In my case I've just uninstalled chatgpt from my phone, cancelled my subscription and will up my spend with anthropic.

Do you honestly believe that cancelling a subscription makes a bit of difference to a company that is either committing accounting fraud on a monumental scale or shoveling venture capital money into a furnace? not to mention the whole collaborating with a fascist government thing. taking real action is your choice, but stop pretending this kind of thing matters one iota edit: to be clear, i'm not advocating for nihil…

Yes? Earnings matter to investors

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by quantumwannabe » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:27 AM UTC

More details on the difference between the OpenAI and Anthropic contracts from one of the Under Secretaries of State:

>The axios article doesn’t have much detail and this is DoW’s decision, not mine. But if the contract defines the guardrails with reference to legal constraints (e.g. mass surveillance in contravention of specific authorities) rather than based on the purely subjective conditions included in Anthropic’s TOS, then yes. This, btw, was a compromise offered to—and rejected by—Anthropic.

https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027566426970530135

> For the avoidance of doubt, the OpenAI - @DeptofWar contract flows from the touchstone of “all lawful use” that DoW has rightfully insisted upon & xAI agreed to. But as Sam explained, it references certain existing legal authorities and includes certain mutually agreed upon safety mechanisms. This, again, is a compromise that Anthropic was offered, and rejected.

> Even if the substantive issues are the same there is a huge difference between (1) memorializing specific safety concerns by reference to particular legal and policy authorities, which are products of our constitutional and political system, and (2) insisting upon a set of prudential constraints subject to the interpretation of a private company and CEO. As we have been saying, the question is fundamental—who decides these weighty questions? Approach (1), accepted by OAI, references laws and thus appropriately vests those questions in our democratic system. Approach (2) unacceptably vests those questions in a single unaccountable CEO who would usurp sovereign control of our most sensitive systems.

> It is a great day for both America’s national security and AI leadership that two of our leading labs, OAI and xAI have reached the patriotic and correct answer here

https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by anon-3988 » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:27 AM UTC

Robdel12 wrote: post #44

Raise your hand if you actually read it or if you read the title and replied? I see a lot of comments that sure seem like they didn’t read it. > Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our…

> Either it’s a bold face lie and OpenAI burns because of it

Do you really still genuinely believe in this? This is the same person that said ads is going to be the last resort, and yet we are getting ads. I just don't understand how people can trust a single word coming out of folks like Sam, Musk, Trump or whoever rich asshole.

I listen to these people talk and they literally do not have souls. They will say whatever it is they need to get ahead. I watched a couple of Sam speeches and videos, the man does not have anything interesting to say.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by insane_dreamer » Sat, Feb 28, 2026, 4:27 AM UTC

operator_nil wrote: post #25

So does this mean that OpenAI will give whatever the DoD asks for and they will pinky swear that it won’t be used for mass surveillance and autonomous killing machines?

yes

and we know we can trust openAI because they were founded on "open" and "safe" AI (up until they realized how much money there was to be made, at which point their only value changed to "make money")