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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

no_wizard wrote: post #90
txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

This letter and all of this is meaningless. If they actually wanted to do something they wouldn’t have sat back and funded Republican political campaigns because they were pissed about the head of the ftc under Biden. But they didn’t. They gave millions to this guy and now they’re feigning ignorance or change ir wherever this is. It’s meaningless. Utterly meaningless. Get what you pay for, I suppose.

We shouldn't be scammed by people who intend to get back on the Trump train once they've gotten what they want. But if someone's willing to openly oppose the Trump regime, even out of self-interest, I'm happy to let them feign as much ignorance as they'd like. If his power isn't broken the details of who resisted him when won't matter.

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Post by TehCorwiz »

engineer_22 wrote: post #107
TehCorwiz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This conflict has zero to do with AI in the grand scheme of things. We had a whole supreme court case about refusing service to customers. Remember that? Private companies can choose which customers to service. And let's be clear about what's being sold. It's not a product that changes hands, it's a service provided continually. And as anyone except the enlisted military troops can, said vendor can choose which effor…

Plenty of precedent for seizing private property for national defence. The list is long and growing.

Citation please.

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Post by reactordev »

bottlepalm wrote: post #85
txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

What use are weights without the hardware to run them? That's the gate. Local AI right now is a toy in comparison. Nukes are actually a great example of something also gated by resources. Just having the knowledge/plans isn't good enough.

I run local models on Mac studios and they are more than capable. Don’t spread fud.

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Post by jefftk »

txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

A "world where millions of AGIs run on millions of gaming PCs, where each AI is aligned with an individual human" would be a world in which people could easily create humanity-ending bioweapons. I would love to live in a less vulnerable world, and am working full time to bring about such a world, but in the meantime what you describe would likely be a disaster.

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Post by smegger001 »

msuniverse2026 wrote: post #60
txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

I'd prefer something akin to the Biological Weapons Treaty which prohibits development, production and transfer. If you think it isn't possible you have to tell me why the bioweapons convention was successful and why it wouldn't be in the case of AI.

because bio-weapons labs take more to run than a workstation pc under your desk with a good graphics card. both in equipment material and training. Its hard to outlaw use of linear algebra and matrix multiplications.

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Post by [deleted] »

harmmonica wrote: post #59
bko wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A lot of words and somehow still missing the point. This is a pretty straightforward question: should the US government be able to force a company to do business with it based the government's unilateral terms? I think the answer to that ought to be no, they should not be forced. And there's no other discussion to have. You can discuss whether a corporation is violating some law, and punish them if they are, but I do…

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Post by fooker »

bottlepalm wrote: post #85
txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

What use are weights without the hardware to run them? That's the gate. Local AI right now is a toy in comparison. Nukes are actually a great example of something also gated by resources. Just having the knowledge/plans isn't good enough.

> hardware to run them

Costs a few hundred thousand per server, it's a huge expense if you want it at your home but a rounding error for most organizations.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by BitsAndObjects »

piskov wrote: post #102
BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

Do UK and Europe have hardware manufacturing for those researches to work with once US imposes GPU export restrictions to them at the first whiff of competition/threat?

Yes.

And the US can’t realistically stop our well-funded homegrown AI Hardware startups from manufacturing with TSMC. This is part of why there’s funding from the EU to develop Sovereign AI capabilities, currently focused on designing our own hardware. We’re nothing like as far behind as you might expect in terms of tech, just in terms of scale.

Also, while US export restrictions might make things awkward for a short while, it wouldn’t stop European innovation. The chips still flow, our own hardware companies would scale faster due to demand increase, and there’s the adage about adversity being the parent of all innovation (or however it goes).

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