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Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by padjo »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #88
csours wrote: post #51

this pairs nicely with the finding of the supreme court: Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for uno…

Or that's completely unrelated? Look, you can't have a (working, democratic) government where one party can send the other to jail as soon as they get into power. If presidents could go to jail for doing their job, their opposing party would absolutely try to send them there. This would then ultimately handicap the president: anything they do that the opposition can find a legal justification against could land them…

This is a really silly take. The whole reason for separation of powers is so that the executive can be bound by laws created by the legislative as adjudicated by the judiciary. Saying that the people in the executive are above the law undermines this completely.

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by vonneumannstan »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #31
mcherm wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wrote: > I'm glad Anthropic is getting a taste of their own medicine. I took that to mean that you support the Pentagon's threat which essentially IS to label Anthropic as a national security threat, simply because they wouldn't give the Pentagon the right to use Anthropic's AI to operate weapons or spy on American citizens.

Big fish tries to use their might to kill off small fish . Anthropic uses big $$ it to become big fish in the AI pond. Anthropic just found there are bigger fish in their pond. I'm glad Anthropic have been reminded of this. THat doesn't mean I endorse the US govt using law to make companies a "national security threat" , although its an extremelt easy path from: monopolistic to -> active "national security threat". G…

You are deliberately or accidentally confusing a lot of things here. This is not some anti-monopoly maneuver by the... DEPARTMENT OF WAR.

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by vonneumannstan »

oceanplexian wrote: post #29
vonneumannstan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incredibly dumb take considering Dario Amodei has been extremely hawkish on China and especially about selling them chips that may allow them to catch up to the US level of capabilities...

The Chinese models are 3, maybe 6 months behind Anthropic, they’re not that special.

Now that they cut them off from distillation attacks I find that dubious. In any case its not relevant to what you said:

>Anthropic cutting off the Pentagon is saying in no uncertain terms that they support allowing the PRC access to frontier military technology but not the US.

So by ignoring your own argument I take it you don't support this easily debunked claim.

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by NewJazz »

mrandish wrote: post #106

Obviously, domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens is bad but before even getting to that, the thing that doesn't make sense is: it's illegal for the DoD to do that (unless the citizens are military or DoD employees). And, does anyone seriously think developing autonomous kill-bots without a human in the loop in the next 3 years is something the DoD should be unilaterally doing now without congressional review? Person…

Personally, I think autonomous kill bots with a human in the loop, with congressional review, and even 10 years from now are categorically a terrible idea.

Pretty sure these exist today...

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by freejazz »

godelski wrote: post #90

There's a lot of talk about "Future Claude", even Karpathy has mentioned something similar. But does anyone stop to think about how utterly dystopian this is? We are creating a worse version of the Panopticon than was originally designed. A Panopticon that could have entirely devastating consequences. Not only is "the guard" able to see what any given "prisoner" is doing at any time, but they can look into the past.…

Hard to imagine the difference between a dystopian future is whether or not Claude does this one thing as opposed to all the other things it does (completely eviscerates the arts and culture).

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by EdwardDiego »

CodingJeebus wrote: post #32
emsign wrote: post #3

So the Pentagon is strongarming a company into cooperation? That reminds of how my alcoholic neighbor used to treat his family. It's almost as if someone let a mean drunk be in charge of the Pentagon.

As if governments throughout history haven't constantly used threats to gain leverage? No need to take a personal shot at the guy in charge when this is SOP throughout the administration.

Besides he takes enough shots as it is. Ahoyooo! Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by bigyabai »

NewJazz wrote: post #114
mrandish wrote: post #106

Obviously, domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens is bad but before even getting to that, the thing that doesn't make sense is: it's illegal for the DoD to do that (unless the citizens are military or DoD employees). And, does anyone seriously think developing autonomous kill-bots without a human in the loop in the next 3 years is something the DoD should be unilaterally doing now without congressional review? Person…

Personally, I think autonomous kill bots with a human in the loop, with congressional review, and even 10 years from now are categorically a terrible idea. Pretty sure these exist today...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

  Patriot was one of the first tactical systems in the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) to employ lethal autonomy in combat.

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by mrandish »

bigyabai wrote: post #118
NewJazz wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I think autonomous kill bots with a human in the loop, with congressional review, and even 10 years from now are categorically a terrible idea. Pretty sure these exist today...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot Patriot was one of the first tactical systems in the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) to employ lethal autonomy in combat.

I was making a distinction between AI-based autonomy which is less deterministic and currently subject to unpredictable hallucinations vs 'automatic' based on if/then heuristics and thresholds which can range from as simple as a Claymore mine with a proximity trigger to the MIM-104 you linked.

I'm not an expert but my understanding is the MIM-104 is more akin to complex automatic systems like a modern airliner auto-pilot and both are materially different than transformer-based LLMs.

Re: The Pentagon threatens Anthropic

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

misnome wrote: post #47
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

very much anti cartel Any company using a huge $$ war chest to shower themselves in regulation, is likely trying to usurp market powers from the public -via congressional bribes- to themselves.

How is this different from… any of their competitors?

Anthropic officially funds lobbyists in excess than other huge companies like Microsoft or Amazon. Its latest $20M outlay [1] alone is more that the spend of either company. Their lobbying spend combined is now on par with companies like META, which have tons of regulatory battle fronts (unlike Anthropic)

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2026/02/20/ais-bigges...

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