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Re: Every company building your AI assistant is now an ad company

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Post by lukan »

encom wrote: post #66
drdaeman wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you okay with private and intimate conversations and moments (including of underage family members) being saved for replaying later? Is this somehow fundamentally different from having memories? Because I thought about it, and decided that personally I do - with one important condition, though. I do because my memories are not as great as I would like them to be, and they decline with stress and age. If a machi…

>That's why we have technology in the first place, to improve our lives, right? No, we have technology to show you more and more ads, sell you more and more useless crap, and push your opinions on Important Matters toward the state approved ones. Of course indoor plumbing, farming, metallurgy and printing were great hits, but technology has had a bit of a dry spell lately. If "An always-on AI that listens to your hou…

I really hope, that before I will get old and fragile, I will get my smart robotic house, with an (local!) AI assistant always listening to my wishes and then executing them.

I rather have the horror of being old and forgotten in a half care like most old people are right now. AI and robots can bring emporerment. And it is up to us, whether we let ad companies serve them to us from the cloud, or local models running in the basement.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109
5o1ecist wrote: post #108

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> I'm not convinced that there is a point in attempting explaining it That encapsulates my point. I’ve worked on various pieces of legislation. All privately. A few made it into state and federal law. Broadly speaking, the ones that make it are the ones for which you can’t get their supporters to stop calling in on. Privacy issues are notoriously shit at getting people to call their electeds on. The exception is when…

Pretty much this. Nobody really actually cares. People will cite 1984 twenty million times, but since they're very disconnected from 3rd order effects of cross-company data brokerage, it doesn't really matter. I used to care about it before as well, but life became much easier once I took the "normie stand" on some of the issues.

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

HWR_14 wrote: post #53
zmmmmm wrote: post #20

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The fundamental problem with a lot of this is that the legal system is absolute: if information exists, it is accessible. If the courts order it, nothing you can do can prevent the information being handed over, even if that means a raid of your physical premises. Unless you encrypt it in a manner resistant to any way you can be compelled to decrypt it, the only way to have privacy is for information not to exist in…

> Unless you encrypt it in a manner resistant to any way you can be compelled to decrypt it, In the US you it is not legal to be compelled to turn over a password. It's a violation of your fifth amendment rights. In the UK you can be jailed until you turn over the password.

There’s an interesting loophole for Face ID…

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Post by peyton »

paxys wrote: post #16

This spiel is hilarious in the context of the product this company ( https://juno-labs.com/ ) is pushing – an always on, always listening AI device that inserts itself into your and your family’s private lives. “Oh but they only run on local hardware…” Okay, but that doesn't mean every aspect of our lives needs to be recorded and analyzed by an AI. Are you okay with private and intimate conversations and moments (inc…

I’m 99% sure this article is AI generated. Regardless, people will gravitate to the tool that solves their problems. If their problem is finding a local plumber or a restaurant they like, advertising will be involved.

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Post by halper »

econ wrote: post #59

Just when you've asked if there are eggs the doorbell rings, the neighbor stands there in disbelief, it told me to bring you eggs? Give him the half bottle vodka, it's going to expire soon and his son will make a surprise visit tonight. An argument arises and it participates by encouraging both parties with extra talking points. But this was only the beginning, after gathering a few TB worth of micro expressions it s…

Vodka that expires must be the epitome of enshittification!

Re: Every company building your AI assistant is now an ad company

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Post by bossyTeacher »

ajuhasz wrote: post #24
zmmmmm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fundamental problem with a lot of this is that the legal system is absolute: if information exists, it is accessible. If the courts order it, nothing you can do can prevent the information being handed over, even if that means a raid of your physical premises. Unless you encrypt it in a manner resistant to any way you can be compelled to decrypt it, the only way to have privacy is for information not to exist in…

Agreed, while we've tried to think through this and build in protections we can't pretend that there is a magical perfect solution. We do have strong conviction that doing this inside the walls of your home is much safer than doing it within any companies datacenter (I accept that some just don't want this to exist period and we won't be able to appease them). Some of our decisions in this direction: - Minimize how l…

> - Minimize how long we have "raw data" in memory

I believe you should allow people to set how long the raw data should be stored as well as dead man switches.

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Post by alansaber »

dasil003 wrote: post #70

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't understand the appeal of the always-on AI assistant at all. Even leaving privacy/security issues aside, and even if it gets super smart and capable, it feels like it would have a distancing effect from my own life, and undermine my own agency in shaping it. I'm not against AI in general, and some assistant-like functionality that functions on demand to search my digital footpri…

May I refer you to WALL-E. The contention between hard vs convenient in our daily lives always seems to slowly edge towards convenient. If not in this generation, the next gen will be more willing to offload more.

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Post by alansaber »

doomslayer999 wrote: post #12

Who would buy OpenAI's spy device? I think a lot of public discourse and backlash about the greedy, anticompetitive, and exploitative practices of the silicon valley elite have gone mainstream and will hopefully course correct the industry in time.

Loads of people? The Ari Alexa was tremendously successful as a consumer product no? It's the same premise but "better"
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