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IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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just to be clear: from my standpoint it's the worst period ever being a junior in tech, you are not "fucked" if you are junior, but hard times are ahead of you.

OTOH, as a junior, you haven't learned all the wrong lessons that don't apply anymore, and you have fewer responsibilities than the seniors.

Like what

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

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Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

> measurable productivity Which measure? Like when folk say something is more "efficient" it's more time-efficient to fly but one trades other efficiency. Efficiency, like productivity needs a second word with it to properly communicate. Whtys more productive? Lines of code (a weak measure). Features shipped? Bugs fixed? Time by company saved? Time for client? Shareholders value (lame). I don't know the answer but th…

I used to write bugs in 8 hours. Now I write the same bugs in 4. My Productivity doubled. \s

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Huh, weird, another "technological marvel" whose primary effect just seems to be devaluing labour.

Technologies entire job is to make it less work to accomplish something and therefore easier and cheaper. In some cases that will make it possible to do things you couldn't do before but in many cases it'll just end up causing the value of said labor to fall. The problem isn't change, but the rate of change and the fact it's affecting our own field rather than someone else's.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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IMO I have found that juniors working with AI is basically just like subscribing to an expensive AI agent.

IMO with the latest generation (gpt codex 5.3 and claude 4.6) most devs could probably be replaced by AI. They can do stuff that I've seen senior devs fail at. When I have a question about a co-workers project, I no longer ask them and instead immediately let copilot have a look at the repo and it will be faster and more accurate at identifying the root cause of issues than humans who actually worked on the project.…

> most devs could probably be replaced by AI. They can do stuff that I've seen senior devs fail at.

When I read these takes I wonder what kind of companies some of you have been working for. I say this as someone who has been using Opus 4.6 and GPT-Codex-5.3 daily.

I think the “senior developer” title inflation created a bubble of developers who coasted on playing the ticket productive game where even small tasks could be turned into points and sprints and charts and graphs such that busy work looked like a lot of work was being done.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Some stats are trickling out in my company. Code heavy consulting projects show about 18% efficiency gains but I have problems with that number because no one has been able to tell me how it was calculated. Story points actual vs estimated is probably how it was done but that’s nonsensical because we all know how subjective estimates and even actuals are. It’s probably impossible to get a real number that doesn’t have significant “well I feel about x% more efficient…”

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

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I'm with you. I own a business and have created multiple tools for myself that collectively save me hours every month. What were boring, tedious tasks now just get done. I understand that the large-scale economic data are much less clear about productivity benefits, in my individual case they could not be more apparent.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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Some stats are trickling out in my company. Code heavy consulting projects show about 18% efficiency gains but I have problems with that number because no one has been able to tell me how it was calculated. Story points actual vs estimated is probably how it was done but that’s nonsensical because we all know how subjective estimates and even actuals are. It’s probably impossible to get a real number that doesn’t hav…

better than lines of code at least!

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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One might ask what value seniors hold if their expertise of the junior stage is obsolete. Maybe the new junior will just be reigning in llm that does the work and senior level knowledge and compensation rots away as those people retire without replacement.

Huh?

People seem to think LLMs killing the cs career means companies will still pay senior salaries to shepherd agentic LLM style development. I think it is the senior that is the dinosaur here. As we speak cs curriculums are changing to teach people to cruch along with ai. The next batch of juniors will be taking these jobs. There won’t be seniors anymore at least at the salaries we’ve come to assume with that. The skill is getting removed from the profession and replaced with a framework with a far lower barrier of entry.

Re: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

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You know when someone is singing the praises about AI and they get asked "if you're so much more productive with AI, what have you built with it"? Well I think a bunch of companies are asking this same question to their employees and realising that the productivity gains they are betting on were overhyped. LLM's can be a very useful tool and will probably lead to measurable productivity increases in the future, at th…

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Every hype AI post is like this. “I’m making $$$ with these tools and you’re ngmi” I completely understand the joys of a few good months but this is the same as the people working two fang jobs at the start of Covid. Illusionary and not sustainable.
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