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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by hirako2000 »

puszczyk wrote: post #87
jbstack wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

> Just be honest since the start While I agree with the sentiment, keep in mind that circumstances change over the years. What made sense (and what you've believed in) a few years ago may be different now. This is especially true when it comes to business models.

When your product entered mainstream with integration that would yield millions when virtually obliged to get a license is typically what happens.

When backed by a company there is an ethical obligation to keep, at least maintenance. Of course legally they can do what they wish. It isn't unfair to call it bad practice.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by direwolf20 »

devsda wrote: post #109
jbstack wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

Everyone is quick to assert rights granted by the license terms and fast to say the authors should have chosen a better license from the start in case the license doesnt fit the current situation. License terms don't end there. There is a no warranty clause too in almost every open source license and it is as important as the other parts of the license. There is no promise or guarantees for updates or future versions…

They're not saying they violated the license, they're saying they're assholes. It may not be illegal to say you'll do something for free and then not do it, but it's assholish, especially if you said it to gain customers.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by palata »

ForHackernews wrote: post #95
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

Maybe open source developers should stop imagining the things they choose to give away for free as "products". I maintain a small open source library. It doesn't make any money, it will never make any money, people are free to use or not as they choose. If someone doesn't like the way I maintain the repository they are free to fork it.

Agreed, but that's only half of it. The second half is that open source users should stop imagining the things they choose to use for free as "products".

Users of open source often feel entitled, open issues like they would open a support ticket for product they actually paid for, and don't hesitate to show their frustration.

Of course that's not all the users, but the maintainers only see those (the happy users are usually quiet).

I have open sourced a few libraries under a weak copyleft licence, and every single time, some "people from the community" have been putting a lot of pressure on me, e.g. claiming everywhere that the project was unmaintained/dead (it wasn't, I just was working on it in my free time on a best-effort basis) or that anything not permissive had "strings attached" and was therefore "not viable", etc.

The only times I'm not getting those is when nobody uses my project or when I don't open source it. I have been open sourcing less of my stuff, and it's a net positive: I get less stress, and anyway I wasn't getting anything from the happy, quiet users.

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Post by nephihaha »

singularfutur wrote: post #105

COSS companies want it both ways. Free community contributions and bug reports during the growth phase. Then closed source once they've captured enough users. The code you run today belongs to you. The roadmap belongs to their investors.

Duolingo used unpaid labour to build its resources. Now it charges money for premium

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Post by darkwater »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #60
einpoklum wrote: post #40

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> Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I find it the other way around. I feel a bit embarrassed and stressed out working with people who have paid for a copy of software I've made (which admittedly is rather rare). When they haven't paid, every exchange is about what's best for humanity and the public in general, i.e. they're not supposed to get some special treatment at the expe…

People who paid for your software don't really have a right to lord you around. You can chose to be accommodating because they are your customers but you hold approximately as much if not more weight in the relationship. They need your work. It's not so much special treatment as it is commissioned work. People who don't pay are often not really invested. The relationship between more work means more costs doesn't exi…

I'm probably projecting the idea I have of myself here but if someone says

> every exchange is about what's best for humanity and the public in general

it means that they are the kind of individual who deeply care for things to work, relationships to be good and fruitful and thus if they made someone pay for something, they think they must listen to them and comply their requests, because well, they are a paying customer and the customer is always right, they gave me their money etc etc

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by olalonde »

egorfine wrote: post #99
olalonde wrote: post #84

Looks like they pivoted to "AI storage", whatever that means.

That means that any project without the letters "AI" in the name is dead in the eyes of investors. Even plain terminals are now "agentic orchestrators": https://www.warp.dev

Are investors really that gullible? Whenever I see "AI" slapped onto an obviously non-AI product, it's an instant red flag to me.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by espenb »

luke5441 wrote: post #94
espenb wrote: post #31

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I didn't find an alternative that I liked as much as MinIO and I, unfortunately, ended up creating a my own. It includes just the most basic features and cannot be compared to the larger projects, but is simple and it is efficient. https://github.com/espebra/stupid-simple-s3

The listing is perhaps in line with the first two "s". It seems it always iterates through all files, reads the "meta.json", then filters?

Yes, indeed. The list operation is expensive. The S3 spec says that the list output needs to be sorted.

1. All filenames are read. 2. All filenames are sorted. 3. Pagination applied.

It doesn't scale obviously, but works ok-ish for a smaller data set. It is difficult to do this efficiently without introducing complexity. My applications don't use listing, so I prioritised simplicity over performance for the list operation.

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