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"Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by orwin »

rapatel0 wrote: post #52

I agree with this entire article, except that it's not just a right-wing phenomenon. Both sides distort the truth for financial gain and from a quantitative POV it's not a false equivalence.

True, but rarely you see someone grifting to the left. Each time someone get caught putting his hands, or worse, where he shouldn't, he tends to go rightward, and fast. Same thing when they are caught doing MLMs, always to the right. Even with shitcoiners, the right-wing pivot is fast once your 'racism is bad, but this antiracist coin' is done. I honestly don't know why.

Probably you have either more money, or more forgiving/powerful people on the right? Some grift to the center, but it's very rare, when libs are as powerful and rich as conservative, so I've no idea.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by rapatel0 »

orwin wrote: post #111
rapatel0 wrote: post #52

I agree with this entire article, except that it's not just a right-wing phenomenon. Both sides distort the truth for financial gain and from a quantitative POV it's not a false equivalence.

True, but rarely you see someone grifting to the left. Each time someone get caught putting his hands, or worse, where he shouldn't, he tends to go rightward, and fast. Same thing when they are caught doing MLMs, always to the right. Even with shitcoiners, the right-wing pivot is fast once your 'racism is bad, but this antiracist coin' is done. I honestly don't know why. Probably you have either more money, or more f…

>True, but rarely you see someone grifting to the left.

Not true. There are plenty of grifters on the left.

Both sides use the same pattern:

- Look at the crazy stuff *their* people are doing.

- We should all be angry -> generates clicks revenue.

- Donate/Buy XYZ to save the humanity/yourself.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by rapatel0 »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #87
rapatel0 wrote: post #52

I agree with this entire article, except that it's not just a right-wing phenomenon. Both sides distort the truth for financial gain and from a quantitative POV it's not a false equivalence.

To quote you from an earlier comment of yours: "This is exactly the sensational take (devoid of nuance and information) that we should collectively push back against." The left has been traditionally anti-capitalist and in favor of improving rights and living conditions. Who on the left is gaining financially from distorting the truth to the level of someone like Larry Ellison, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, the Koch Brothe…

I don't understand what is sensationalist with my comment.

- I didn't make an outrageous or extrordinary claim.

- I didn't paint either side as crazy, broken or evil.

- I'm not leveraging charged language like racial slurs, or historical tragedies (nazi-ism).

- I'm not personally attacking anyone or encouraging any violence.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by kevinfiol »

rapatel0 wrote: post #52

I agree with this entire article, except that it's not just a right-wing phenomenon. Both sides distort the truth for financial gain and from a quantitative POV it's not a false equivalence.

At least in the U.S., from my observations, it's mainly a right-wing phenomenon and borne from the same culture that brought us the likes of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Hal Turner. As a teenager, my friends and I would laugh at this stuff and assume by the time we were having kids, Fox News and similar right-wing, vaguely racist, puritanical media would be diminished to a point where it was hardly noticeable. We were clearly very wrong.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by tptacek »

thatfunkymunki wrote: post #110
matthewmacleod wrote: post #11

It's a genuinely surprising feeling to live in a place, but see an absolute torrent of malevolent misinformation about it. The "London has fallen" trope that has been prevalent on social media recently stank of some kind of deliberate manipulation. But increasingly—in part due to stories like this—I wonder if it is actually just all "for the views".

I've lived in Chicago and San Francisco, both places also victims of this type of narrative.

I've lived in both places and I think the narrative is a lot more fair, in terms of day-to-day quality of life for, like, the median resident, about San Francisco than it is about Chicago. The narrative about Chicago basically doesn't connect with anybody's experience here unless they live in places like Lawndale or Englewood. San Francisco's problems are broadly shared by every neighborhood.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by throwerxyz »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #11

It's a genuinely surprising feeling to live in a place, but see an absolute torrent of malevolent misinformation about it. The "London has fallen" trope that has been prevalent on social media recently stank of some kind of deliberate manipulation. But increasingly—in part due to stories like this—I wonder if it is actually just all "for the views".

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Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by orwin »

rapatel0 wrote: post #112
orwin wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but rarely you see someone grifting to the left. Each time someone get caught putting his hands, or worse, where he shouldn't, he tends to go rightward, and fast. Same thing when they are caught doing MLMs, always to the right. Even with shitcoiners, the right-wing pivot is fast once your 'racism is bad, but this antiracist coin' is done. I honestly don't know why. Probably you have either more money, or more f…

>True, but rarely you see someone grifting to the left. Not true. There are plenty of grifters on the left. Both sides use the same pattern: - Look at the crazy stuff *their* people are doing. - We should all be angry -> generates clicks revenue. - Donate/Buy XYZ to save the humanity/yourself.

Sorry, i wasn't clear, my bad. You have grifters everywhere, especially in the fringe as when your audience is small, grifting is the best way to make any real amount of money. But when a grifter is caught doing something the public consider bad (SA, but sometime just being caught red-handed stealing money), he either disappear, or grift to the right. No grifter go further left is my point.

I think the internationally known examples are the Tate brothers or the Paul brothers, but among the scammers who got pardonned by trump you will mostly find people who grifted to the right. In my country it is also quite clear. Doctors caught doing weird chamanism and not helping patient? Suddenly it's "cancel culture!!1!". Your "quantum energy" bullshit is caught and proved to be a weird MLM? Cancel culture! Every fucking time.

It happened with people who used to grift for kombaya/hippies with weird chamanism and yoga. Suddenly, 911 was an inside job and Donald Trump is our savior, Q is his prophete. I shit you not, my mother Yoga ayurvedic group went from hippies that use to get scammed into buying essential oils to "open the Chakra" to weird antisemites who purchased trumpm/melania coin in less than 3 years. And we're not even in the US :/

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by munksbeer »

kubb wrote: post #89
ticulatedspline wrote: post #68

Man what a PoS this guy was. he started as a lame re-poster >His head was turned by the substantial sum of money: “I told my wife, wow, it’s £1,000.” >Then, to his annoyance, TikTok immediately deleted his account because he was just stealing other people’s videos and reposting them. and dove straight into fabricating hate, and worst of all after directly confronted seems to literally have no concept of what he was d…

I would say about 20% of people are like that. Total disregard for common good, maximal selfishness.

I am a member of an expensive gym in our home town. It has a very good gym but also includes spa facilities. The only reason I pay the price is because it also includes a working area, and because I work remotely most of the week, I do it from the gym, so I have no excuse not to exercise and I also find the spa a good way to unwind. It's a nice way to avoid the long commute to the office but also get out the house.

Anyway, the point to the story is money doesn't buy class. The gym parking is gated and leads into a huge parking area. What happens is that a certain percentage of people consider themselves above everyone else and don't fancy walking the extra 20-100 meters to park in an actual parking, so they just park on the "road" that feeds into the the various parking areas, as it is close to the gym. This means it blocks one lane of that road and cars get backed up having to go around the parked cars.

I always hear announcements calling for the owners of certain license plates, and always know it was these cars. It infuriates me so much. Lately the gym has had to resort to cones along the edges of the road to stop the arseholes.

I just can't fathom such people. It feels so alien to me that I (I mean this literally) can't imagine what actually goes through your head to do that. For anyone who is this selfish, can you explain? Does it not occur to you that this is wrong? Or do you know it and just think "life is unfair, I do what is best for me"? I genuinely don't get it.

So yeah, a bit off topic, and I'm unsure if your 20% figure is too high, but there certainly are a lot of people in the world that are just not nice.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by rwmj »

munksbeer wrote: post #118
kubb wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say about 20% of people are like that. Total disregard for common good, maximal selfishness.

I am a member of an expensive gym in our home town. It has a very good gym but also includes spa facilities. The only reason I pay the price is because it also includes a working area, and because I work remotely most of the week, I do it from the gym, so I have no excuse not to exercise and I also find the spa a good way to unwind. It's a nice way to avoid the long commute to the office but also get out the house. A…

About 5% of people are narcissistic sociopaths. They don't believe that other people exist, or at least are anything more than actors in a play they control. Try not to elect one as President.

This is a good pop-science book about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Psychopath_Test

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by rapatel0 »

orwin wrote: post #117
rapatel0 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>True, but rarely you see someone grifting to the left. Not true. There are plenty of grifters on the left. Both sides use the same pattern: - Look at the crazy stuff *their* people are doing. - We should all be angry -> generates clicks revenue. - Donate/Buy XYZ to save the humanity/yourself.

Sorry, i wasn't clear, my bad. You have grifters everywhere, especially in the fringe as when your audience is small, grifting is the best way to make any real amount of money. But when a grifter is caught doing something the public consider bad (SA, but sometime just being caught red-handed stealing money), he either disappear, or grift to the right. No grifter go further left is my point. I think the internationall…

Ah I think i understand. To paraphrase, you're saying that people that are caught tend to take refuge by more rightward grifting.

I cannot speak to your specific experience and i don't necessarily disagree. However, I do think there a potential selection bias here because by our media environment. Agree or not, the media believes that Trump is the most horrible person in the world at the moment. So there is a propensity to attack anyone that is considered allied to the right, so rightward grifters will get more aggressively exposed.

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