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Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by Krasnol »

brigandish wrote: post #93
paulryanrogers wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop relying on ~investors~ [the business oligarchy] to solve everything

They're being asked, in this case, to solve a problem that business has already shown able to solve. More competition will also solve that oligarchy problem too.

No, more competition does obviously NOT solve oligarchies. It is what we see RIGHT NOW. It is OUT THERE NOW. Oligarchs buy up competition and either incorporate their ideas or make them disappear if they threaten their established business models.

Why are you keep repeating this myth?

The only relevant player who might break up oligarchies before they become to powerful is the state they operate in.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by ricardobeat »

megaman821 wrote: post #75
ricardobeat wrote: post #40

Why is Django so popular among open-source projects like these, especially government funded? I’ve never happened to see a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field. Ruby/Go or even bun or node would be much more approachable and performant options today.

Does node or Go have a full-stack framework with any real usage? Those languages seem to have people that like piecing together libraries than using frameworks. Other languages all offer popular frameworks; Ruby on Rails, Java Spring, PHP Laravel, ASP.Net.

The modern approach is to have a node-based fullstack framework like Next, SvelteKit or Astro, plus backend API services.

I’m afraid i am one of those people :)

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by innocentoldguy »

superze wrote: post #53
okanat wrote: post #26

Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…

To make matters worse, they are using Django. I can't take the EU serious any more.

Django is perfectly capable. I'd use Phoenix for its scalability and performance, if it were me, but I've built large-scale projects in Django before, and it worked well.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by macNchz »

petcat wrote: post #48
ricardobeat wrote: post #40

Why is Django so popular among open-source projects like these, especially government funded? I’ve never happened to see a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field. Ruby/Go or even bun or node would be much more approachable and performant options today.

> I’ve never seen a commercial project use it in my twenty years in the field. This is very surprising to me considering some of the largest sites in the world are built on Django. Instagram, Pinterest, for instance. Large parts of stripe and Robinhood are implemented with Django. Eventbrite, bitbucket. I believe even Sentry is. All commercial products.

Sentry is indeed, and is open source and self-hostable: https://github.com/getsentry/sentry

It’s a pretty large app (I think >1M lines of Python). I ran a self hosted version for several years and found it performant and pretty easy to keep running and updated.

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Post by bee_rider »

progx wrote: post #22
forty wrote: post #15

Great, but why on GitHub? That doesn't seem very souverain to me

I wait for frenchhub, in french only, no english translation, nothing. Typical french. Greetings from you EU neighbor.

A lot of the documentation in La Suite seems to be available in English.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by bee_rider »

Winblows11 wrote: post #33
padjo wrote: post #14

Makes sense, using an office suite hosted by a hostile power isn't a very smart longterm strategy.

Yes I remember when UK regulator blocked Microsoft from buying Activision there were posts on r/Microsoft regarding their ability to send update to brick all Windows installs in UK and delete all Azure data of UK companies, how UK was a small insignificant market compared to BRICs so it wouldn't hurt MSFT stock price. Given JD Vance obviously hates UK/EU way more than Trump, and he may be next US president, he may in…

On one hand the dependence on Microsoft is generally bad.

On the other, we shouldn’t take the opinions of the sort of fan who hangs around on a corporation’s subreddit too seriously.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by megaman821 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #112
megaman821 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does node or Go have a full-stack framework with any real usage? Those languages seem to have people that like piecing together libraries than using frameworks. Other languages all offer popular frameworks; Ruby on Rails, Java Spring, PHP Laravel, ASP.Net.

The modern approach is to have a node-based fullstack framework like Next, SvelteKit or Astro, plus backend API services. I’m afraid i am one of those people :)

They are full-stack but not complete frameworks like the other. Where is the ORMs, authentication, form handling, etc? Will your bespoke choices hold up in 10 years?

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by Gud »

drstewart wrote: post #92
YousefED wrote: post #70

Great to see this on HN. fyi, La Suite is an umbrella project built by DINUM in France that started several years ago, mainly to enable people in the public administration to use more independent tools. It's built in-house, often on top of other open source technologies. E.g.: Matrix powers chat and LiveKit powers Visio (which was recently featured on HN as well when they announced it's rolled out to replace Zoom / T…

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That's the hacker spirit!

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by harvey9 »

kkfx wrote: post #86
okanat wrote: post #26

Okay this is nowhere near an "Office suite". It is a cloud collaboration suite with a glorified markdown editor and with some extra utilities around. Almost nobody buys stuff like Google Docs and Microsoft Office for this reason. From my experience using open-source collaboration groupware like Nextcloud, their solutions written in dynamic programming languages like PHP and Python are always woefully slow. Only thing…

A small note: in 2026, classic office suites shouldn't even exist in my opinion, so if the EU were to create a glorified R/Quarto, essentially a LaTeX wrapper with some basic calculation capabilities added, it would be infinitely better than any office suite. My personal setup is Emacs/org-mode, using babel for the rest; I use Python with Polars, Plotly, and very occasionally SymPy just to avoid using Maxima if I'm a…

You use emacs so why should anyone else need MS Word? A large number of people use word processor software because it has advantages over typewriters or handwriting for their purposes rather than because they lack training in something more esoteric.
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