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OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by cromka »

fennecbutt wrote: post #86
Pediatric0191 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airtags were released in 2021, I'd say that counts, but generally I agree.

I mean they literally just looked at Tile. And they have the benefit of running the platform. Demonstrates time and time again that they engage in anticompetitive behaviour.

No, they didn't just look at Tile. The used a completely new UWB radio technology with a completely new anonymization cryptographic paradigm allowing them to include every single device in network, transparently.

AirTag is a perfect example of their hardware prowess that even Google fails to replicate to this date.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by mh2266 »

krackers wrote: post #38
raincole wrote: post #20

> If you browse Reddit or HN, you’ll see the same pattern: people are buying Mac Minis specifically to run AI agents with computer use. Saved you a click. This is the premise of the article.

Why specifically mac mini? There are cheaper NUCs and it's not like they're running a local model on the mac mini are they?

it's so that your agent can access your 2fa codes sent over messages

no, seriously, that is a thing people are using it for

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by msy »

Nevermark wrote: post #103
atonse wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their hardware division has been killing it. The software has been where most of the complaints have been in recent years.

Their software efforts have little ambition. Tweaks and improvements are always a good idea, but without some ambitious effort, nothing special is learned or achieved. A "bicycle for the mind" got replaced with a "kiosk for your pocketbook". The Vision Pro has an amazing interface, but it's set up as a place to rent videos and buy throwaway novelty iPad-style apps. It allows you to import a Mac screen as a single win…

Not just lack of ambition, lack of vision or taste. Liquid Glass is a step back in almost every way, that it got out the door is an indictment of the entire leadership chain.

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Post by FireBeyond »

danielheath wrote: post #106
FireBeyond wrote: post #51

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> And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Because remember, Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version. Except this doesn't stand up to scrutiny, when you look at Siri. FOURTEEN years and it is still spectacularly useless. I have no idea what Siri is a "much nicer version" of. > Apple can integrate it with hardware and software in a way no othe…

Perhaps I’m misremembering, but I feel sure that Siri was much better a decade ago than it is today. Basic voice commands that used to work are no longer recognised, or required you to unlock the phone in situations where hands free operation is the whole point of using a voice command.

There were certain commands that worked just fine. But they, in Apple's way, required you to "discover" what worked and what didn't with no hints, and then there were illogical gaps like "this grouping should have three obvious options, but you can only do one via Siri".

And then some of its misinterpretations were hilariously bad.

Even now, I get at a technical level that CarPlay and Siri might be separate "apps" (although CarPlay really seems like it should be a service), and as such, might have separate permissions but then you have the comical scenario of:

Being in your car, CarPlay is running and actively navigating you somewhere, and you press your steering wheel voice control button. "Give me directions to the nearest Starbucks" and Siri dutifully replies, "Sorry, I don't know where you are."

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Post by TheRoque »

This post completely has it backwards, people are buying Apple hardware because they don't shove AI down everyone's throat unlike microsoft. And in a few weeks OpenClaw will be outdated or deemed too unsecure anyways, it will never be a long-term products, it's just some crazy experiment for the memes.

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Post by rl3 »

cromka wrote: post #108
crazygringo wrote: post #10

> This is exactly what Apple Intelligence should have been... They could have shipped an agentic AI that actually automated your computer instead of summarizing your notifications. Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes, respond to emails, or manage your calendar by actually using your apps, not through some brittle API layer that breaks every update. And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Becaus…

File taxes? That's a tall order, especially juxtaposed with managing calendar or responding to emails.

>File taxes?

Sure why not, what could go wrong?

"Siri, find me a good tax lawyer."

"Your honor, my client's AI agent had no intent to willfully evade anything."

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Post by [deleted] »

daifi wrote: post #84
keyle wrote: post #78

people are buying Mac Minis specifically to run AI agents with computer use. They’re setting up headless machines whose sole job is to automate their workflows. OpenClaw—the open-source framework that lets you run Claude, GPT-4, or whatever model you want to actually control your computer—has become the killer app for Mac hardware That makes little sense. Buying mac mini would imply for the fused v-ram with the gpu c…

Claude/GPT-4 don't have any GPU requirements?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

fennecbutt wrote: post #92
lukevp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many chat products has Google come out with? Google messenger, buzz, wave, meet, Google+, hangouts… Apple has iMessage and FaceTime. You just restated OP’s point. Apple evolves things slowly and comes to market when the problems have already been solved in a myriad of ways, so they can be solved once and consistently. It’s not about coming to market soonest. How did you get that from what OP said?

Pointless argument given that android isn't just "android". Never has been. It's a huge, diverse ecosystem of players and that's probably why Android has always gotten the coolest stuff first. But it's also its achilles' heel in some ways.

Except operating system and security updates…

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Post by JimDabell »

fooker wrote: post #11

> I suspect ten years from now, people will look back at 2024-2025 as the moment Apple had a clear shot at owning the agent layer and chose not to take it Ten years from now, there will be no ‘agent layer’. This is like predicting Microsoft failed to capitalize on bulletin boards social media.

Ten years from now, the agent layer will be the interface the majority of people use a computer through. Operating systems will become more agentic and absorb the application layer while platforms like Claude Cowork will try to become the omniapp. They’ll meet in the middle and it will be like Microsoft trying to fight Netscape’s view of the web as the omniapp all over again.

Apple will either capitalise on this by making their operating systems more agentic, or they will be reduced to nothing more than a hardware and media vendor.

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