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Mozilla blogger bought 1 million Facebook entries (full name, e-mail) for $5

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Re: Mozilla blogger bought 1 million Facebook entries (full name, e-mail) for $5

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No, a "supplier" has to pay for all of his raw materials costs. That includes inventory costs as well as distribution. Of course you can always restrict your timeframe and assume away this cost (inventory as already incurred), but this is not true in the general sense. In particular, if this is true, by assumption, the there is a limited supply by deduction. If you increased your supply [of information bits, not dupl…

I don't think you are understanding. Of course there are big costs in acquiring more product to sell. The question is: Do you have to pay those costs for each customer, or can you pay them once and amortize the cost over many sales? For example, Adobe Photoshop probably costs a lot to design. It has really high fixed costs, because you need to hire good developers and implement a bunch of advanced operations. However…

The costs are marginal at the point of periodicity.

example: reseller> pays adobe every month/quarter example: adobe> pays versioning costs every 24 months

Provided you shrink the window of analysis, you can say "already paid for inventory, just amortizing it". But in that case, you don't have unlimited supply, you just have whatever you paid for.

In the case of adobe, despite having "unlimited copies" of CS5, they would (eventually) run out of supply of salable product if they did not version into CS6. So while its trivially true they could make unlimited copies of CS5, its not a great idea to perceive this as unlimited supply. The supply that matters is the part people are willing to pay for--this is the marginal information content-- not the marginal bit content of what is delivered.

In some ways I don't think we're disagreeing, just focusing on different elements of the analysis. My larger point was exactly that -- keep in mind the broader elements that are considered as relevant by CxO.

THe CEO of adobe makes decisions, for examople, about how often to incur the marginal cost of versioning the next Creative Suite, how rapidly and how much to budget, etc. COO of facebook looks at the marginal cost of data centers for the next 200 million users, etc, in part because s/he is looking at timeframes and scales which are not the same at the level of a project team, etc.

Re: Mozilla blogger bought 1 million Facebook entries (full name, e-mail) for $5

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the case they are describing is where the marginal cost is highly nonlinear and the price delta between two reasonable values is so negligible that the marginal cost isn't meaningful. A 2MB file does not cost twice as much to email send to someone as a 1MB file; you aren't going switch to a different internet connection or email provider because of your file is twice as big. The first 1 byte is very expensive…

Appreciate your comment. I think I was unclear earlier in my post. Was not trying to talk about the supply of > undifferentiated bits per-se. Those are trivial to scale, in minor orders. The micro cost is in the acquisition of bit sets. In your example, its not the cost to send or replicate the e-mail with a 2 mb attachment. Its the cost to acquire, verify, etc the contetents of the 2mb file have any value. [1] You c…

Thanks for the reply; I honestly am not sure about this situation in particular, I was mostly trying to explain how the statement about marginal costs can be true in any scenario.

I didn't actually intend to say that the cost here is mainly bandwidth or X for any X. My point is more than it can be true that the marginal cost of anything can be so many orders of magnitude less than the non-marginal cost for certain ranges that it isn't worth considering. Data sets based on facebook profiles almost certainly come from people approving shady apps or someone set up a crawler in a way that is able to get a lot of information before being detected as a crawler. In either of those scenarios, the person who set it up effectively paid a flat upfront cost and ends up with X number of users, and there are no linear costs (no manual verification or paid data entry at any point). They cannot spend half as much time and get X/2 users or even maybe X/100 amount of information.

In practice they could spend more time getting more users to give access to their random app, but the marginal cost function is just insanely nonlinear; its effectively 0 at some places and probably tends towards infinity an order of magnitude higher than that.

Re: Mozilla blogger bought 1 million Facebook entries (full name, e-mail) for $5

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The email I used for facebook is facebook@mydomain.com. I have gotten several credit score emails sent to it... This started happening after I had deactivated my account. I never used apps that much, though I did sign up for them occasionally. I have never noticed this with any of my other unique emails, just the facebook one.

Is that domain publicly accessible? Could facebook@(any domain you know exists).com be a reasonable shot in the dark?

Yes, but it doesnt go anywhere except a blank page with my name on it.
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