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Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

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Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

#111

Tailscale is the only non-self-hosted part of my setup now and this has bugged me since. I use a custom Nameserver rule to point all my subdomains to a Caddy container sitting on my Tailnet. Caddy handles the SSL and routes everything to the right containers. I skipped Tailscale Funnel on purpose; since these are just family services, I’d rather keep them locked behind the VPN than open them up to the web. This proje…

+1 for caddy in Tailnet, working well for us too!

Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

#113
I tried migrating our organization from Twingate to self-hosted Netbird for cost savings but couldn't get it working reliably for 10-15% of users. The client failed intermittently with no clear pattern to troubleshoot. It became very frustrating for our end users. My advice: if you're considering self-hosted Netbird, set clear expectations that it's best-effort QoS, not enterprise-grade reliability. There's no such thing as a cheap VPN.

Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

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post #112

Has anybody looked at whether Tailscale is subject to the US CLOUD Act? If so I can imagine we might be moving towards an open source solution like this in future.

Tailscales founders are Canadian, principled, and are very sensitive to Canadian needs. I very much trust Avery and team to do what’s necessary to keep US hands off the data.

edit: someone pointed out they’ve signed new users on to a US co. 15 months ago. I made the statement without knowing this. they aren’t as capable as I originally claimed.

Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

#115
post #89

I've looked without success for external audit reports of either Tailscale and Netbird, like Mullvad gets. While I don't approve of the sort of auditor box-ticking we get at work, it would be reassuring to see a report from a proper security consultancy.

Netbird has supposedly done a penetration test, but it is only supplied upon request [0]. I haven't bothered trying to get my hands on it since I don't use their product. I don't agree with gatekeeping the results instead of making them public.

NetBird should also consider publishing an SBOM, similar to what Defguard does.[1].

[0] https://trust.netbird.io/

[1] https://defguard.net/sbom/

Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

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post #82

Always my problem with Tailscale and similar solutions is that I already run VPNs in my personal devices and especially with android devices, I need to switch between two VPNs, which I find a friction that I do not want. Does anybody know a solution to this?

Maybe I don't understand, but the tailscale Linux clients definitely supports multiple accounts. I use that to reach multiple headscale networks and a tailscale one. No issues for me using it this way.

Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Tailscale seek to limit access to their clients, other than where required by law? The Android client, at least is FOSS. It's hardly Tailscale's fault that people buy iOS devices.

I don't care why. They do nothing to circumvent this so they are not a reliable solution for those who have network participants using the restricted platforms. There could be a million reasons, but not a technical one — "headscale client", for example, could exist in current hostile app stores, but there isn't one.

Your arbitrary, loosely-detailed complaints would apply to literally everyone, every app.

It's on f-droid, it's open source, you're being ridiculous. I'm not even sure you understand what you're asking for. The official, open source Tailscale client explicitly supports headscale servers.

Re: Netbird – Open Source Zero Trust Networking

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post #77
post #36

A bit lower level than most things discussed here but on the topic of overlay networks, I’ve used nebula for years and can recommend it https://github.com/slackhq/nebula

I've used it for some time, it feels very much like it is in maintenance mode. You manage a PKI and have to distribute the keys yourself, no auth/login etc. it's much better than wireguard, not requiring O(N) config changes to add a node, and allowing peoxy nodes etc. iirc key revocation and so on are not easy.

Nebula just had a major release that added IPv6 support for overlay networks. Hardly maintenance mode.

The main company working on it now seems to be adding all the fancy easy-to-use features as a layer on top of Nebula that they are selling. I personally appreciate getting to use the simple core of Nebula as open source. It seems very Unix-y to me: a simple tool that does one thing and does it well.

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