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In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by subdude »

hubber wrote: post #107
text0404 wrote: post #103

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Exactly. Comply with the armed men and you won't die. Compliance is required for a healthy society. Just comply and you won't be hurt. Compliance is required for a functioning society. Comply and purge society of undesirables. Even if your rights are violated, comply or you will be hurt. Remember America's slogans: land of the free, home of the brave if you comply with the masked mens' orders. Remember the hacker eth…

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The only lunatics in this scenario are the ones executing people in the street and dragging children out of their homes and into concentration camps as well as the people who think that's all reasonable. It's entirely reasonable, and right, to resist them.

"They are actively committing a crime against the citizens of the US." What crime? You are confused if you think being an undocumented immigrant is a crime in it of itself. It's not, despite the right's attempts to paint them as "illegal." And, even if it were a crime, that doesn't suddenly make it "evil" or something that victimizes the "citizens of the US." The law is not the arbiter of good and evil, and very often it's on the side of evil. Miscegenation was a crime. Sodomy was a crime. Those acts were no more evil then than they are now.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by hubber »

subdude wrote: post #111
hubber wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The only lunatics in this scenario are the ones executing people in the street and dragging children out of their homes and into concentration camps as well as the people who think that's all reasonable. It's entirely reasonable, and right, to resist them. "They are actively committing a crime against the citizens of the US." What crime? You are confused if you think being an undocumented immigrant is a crime in it o…

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by hubber »

text0404 wrote: post #110
hubber wrote: post #107

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Truly ridiculous. I briefly wondered if you actually believe this rhetoric, but then I saw your three-day-old account. Not going to debate with someone who doesn't have the courage to stand behind their convictions. Your account is a throwaway and only exists to launder white supremacist talking points. Best of luck with your new American government, we all know it ended well for the leaders of Italy and Germany.

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by subdude »

hubber wrote: post #112
subdude wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only lunatics in this scenario are the ones executing people in the street and dragging children out of their homes and into concentration camps as well as the people who think that's all reasonable. It's entirely reasonable, and right, to resist them. "They are actively committing a crime against the citizens of the US." What crime? You are confused if you think being an undocumented immigrant is a crime in it o…

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lol, "your people." I've seen enough of you guys in real life to know what lies behind the bold Nazi larp online. Meek, resentful, small men. You may piss your pants at the sight of a non-white person, but 99% of people don't. Nothing you hope for or think is going to happen will happen. The world you yearn for never existed and never will. Much like every other fascist movement in history, the current one will only be remembered as a pathetic failure.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by etchalon »

arxari wrote: post #41
etchalon wrote: post #32

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The state police are not "for" non-violent enforcement.

I mean yeah, they're not "for" it but you can see how deploying the PD would be helpful as they're more inclined to be non-violent and also I'd reckon they have far more experience than ICE considering the mass requirements which results in many many ICE officers being pretty much just militarized citizens with lacking experience put into stressful situations.

Maybe the federal government shouldn't be sending "pretty much just militarized citizens with lacking experience" into "stressful situations."

Kooky idea, I know.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by blks »

hubber wrote: post #112
subdude wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only lunatics in this scenario are the ones executing people in the street and dragging children out of their homes and into concentration camps as well as the people who think that's all reasonable. It's entirely reasonable, and right, to resist them. "They are actively committing a crime against the citizens of the US." What crime? You are confused if you think being an undocumented immigrant is a crime in it o…

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So next time when they arrest you, thinking you’re an illegals immigrant, put you in jail for 2-4 weeks, without access to a lawyer or even a phone call, and then release, will you be stretching your neck to make it more comfortable for them to tread on it?

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by UncleMeat »

hubber wrote: post #107
text0404 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Comply with the armed men and you won't die. Compliance is required for a healthy society. Just comply and you won't be hurt. Compliance is required for a functioning society. Comply and purge society of undesirables. Even if your rights are violated, comply or you will be hurt. Remember America's slogans: land of the free, home of the brave if you comply with the masked mens' orders. Remember the hacker eth…

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Ernesto Miranda was a criminal. Nevertheless, we have Miranda rights.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by tstrimple »

SR2Z wrote: post #23
dylan604 wrote: post #14

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Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?

Perhaps if they cannot carry out their goals without hurting people, the answer is "take a step back" and not "hurt people."

This is beyond naive at this point. The objective is to hurt people. Republican voters have repeatedly explicitly asked for it. There's a reason they flocked to Trump. Cruelty is the point. It's astounding the number of people still so credulous wrt what is happening in this country. You have "Christian" preachers talking about empathy being a sin for fucks sake. Like how can people maintain this sort of ignorance into 2026?

And I don't mean this towards you necessarily. I get some people are still entertaining folks who will never participate in a conversation in good faith because it might influence ignorant observers who stumble across the conversation. But does that ever actually play out? How much time is wasted on people of obvious bad faith? How much time has been wasted on the Shapiros, the Kirks, the Tuckers of the world? The random HN commenter who drops obvious bullshit before disappearing to never be heard from again? You cannot out earnest people flooding the zone with bullshit.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

The worrying thing is that we now know about the lies where there's clear evidence, but we don't know the extent of the illegal torture/brutality where we don't have evidence (e.g. inside the concentration camps used to hold "immigrants").
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