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Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by ef2efe »

mannanj wrote: post #102
BirAdam wrote: post #23

If all jobs were taken by AI in a short time span, the companies owning and operating those AIs would go out of business as no one would be able to afford the products made by the AIs. This is an unlikely scenario. Not all things will be made/run by AIs in a short time. It is far more likely that specific jobs in specific industries will be taken by AI, and AI will slowly take the labor market. This will drive down p…

> If all jobs were taken by AI in a short time span, the companies owning and operating those AIs would go out of business as no one would be able to afford the products made by the AIs I think The companies would go out of business if the government did not subsidize them as a matter of public or national security interest. Do you think that would not be the case? It doesn't take much for a company with money to lob…

The end game is nationalisation lmao. How people cant see this is mad...

It wouldnt be the first time in history a govt has taken into their hands an organisation that is deemed too powerful.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by HEmanZ »

simianwords wrote: post #107
tsoukase wrote: post #103

If an LLM hallucinates in 1% of occasions and gives subpar output in 5%, this kills his effectiveness to replace anyone. Imagine a support guy on the other side of the phone to speak gibberish 10 times a day. Now, imagine a doctor. These will never lose their jobs.

but llm's dont speak gibberish 10 times a day even now. from my usage, chatgpt has not said one obviously strange thing since o3 came out.

What are you working on that they are so knowledgeable?Even the best models absolutely make stuff up, even to this day. I literally spend all day every day working with them (all latest ChatGPT models) and it’s still 10-15% BS.

I had ChatGPT 5.2 thinking straight up make up an api after I pasted the full api spec to it earlier today. And built its whole response around a public api that did not exist. And Claude cli with sonnet 4.5 made up the craziest reason why my curl command wasn’t working (that curl itself was bugged, not the obvious it can’t resolve the dn it tried to use) and almost went down a path of installing a bunch of garbage tools.

These are not ready to be unsupervised. Yet.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by HEmanZ »

HEmanZ wrote: post #112
simianwords wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but llm's dont speak gibberish 10 times a day even now. from my usage, chatgpt has not said one obviously strange thing since o3 came out.

What are you working on that they are so knowledgeable?Even the best models absolutely make stuff up, even to this day. I literally spend all day every day working with them (all latest ChatGPT models) and it’s still 10-15% BS. I had ChatGPT 5.2 thinking straight up make up an api after I pasted the full api spec to it earlier today. And built its whole response around a public api that did not exist. And Claude cli…

But maybe your point is that it isn’t gibberish, it’s “seems correct but isn’t” which is honestly more dangerous

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by simianwords »

HEmanZ wrote: post #112
simianwords wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but llm's dont speak gibberish 10 times a day even now. from my usage, chatgpt has not said one obviously strange thing since o3 came out.

What are you working on that they are so knowledgeable?Even the best models absolutely make stuff up, even to this day. I literally spend all day every day working with them (all latest ChatGPT models) and it’s still 10-15% BS. I had ChatGPT 5.2 thinking straight up make up an api after I pasted the full api spec to it earlier today. And built its whole response around a public api that did not exist. And Claude cli…

for coding, if you have not hooked up your workflow to a test -> code feedback loop, then you are doing it incorrectly. i agree it doesn't get things right all the time but this loop is important to correct it.

for other things like normal question answering in the chatgpt window, it hasn't really said anything incorrect.. very very few instances.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by simianwords »

HEmanZ wrote: post #113
HEmanZ wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you working on that they are so knowledgeable?Even the best models absolutely make stuff up, even to this day. I literally spend all day every day working with them (all latest ChatGPT models) and it’s still 10-15% BS. I had ChatGPT 5.2 thinking straight up make up an api after I pasted the full api spec to it earlier today. And built its whole response around a public api that did not exist. And Claude cli…

But maybe your point is that it isn’t gibberish, it’s “seems correct but isn’t” which is honestly more dangerous

you are incorrect. "seems correct but isn't" is fine as long as the other times it is accurate at high enough levels.

"seems correct but isn't" is like the most common mode of humans getting things wrong.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by ericmcer »

BirAdam wrote: post #23

If all jobs were taken by AI in a short time span, the companies owning and operating those AIs would go out of business as no one would be able to afford the products made by the AIs. This is an unlikely scenario. Not all things will be made/run by AIs in a short time. It is far more likely that specific jobs in specific industries will be taken by AI, and AI will slowly take the labor market. This will drive down p…

We might just keep making more jobs and coming up with more busy work to keep people grinding away for 40 hours a week.

If you look at 1940, women were ~24% of the workforce. Now in 2025 they are ~48%. The numbers are probably similar with immigrant workers having increased greatly in the last 80 years.

If you view AI workers as just more labor flooding the workforce it might have a similar affect. If we flooded the 1940s economy with 10s of millions of qualified women and immigrant laborers people would have viewed it as devastating to the economy, but introduced gradually over time we arrive at a point now where we fear what would happen if they went away.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by funkyfiddler369 »

ef2efe wrote: post #110
myrmidon wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Disruptive rethinking of economics" is a very optimistic way to put this IMO. The big problem I see is that there is little incentive for "owners" (of datacenters/factories/etc) to share anything with such hobbyist laborers, because hobbyist labor has little to no value to them. All the past waves of automation provided a lot of entirely new job opportunities AND increased overall demand (by factory workers siphonin…

Who cares who owns the data center? The govt can send in the army and nationalise it... Lol as if you really believe that a bunch of people will actually control everything and the govt wont? Think harder.

of course they can, but that's a process, and a reactive one at that.

the government won't control uptime, ever.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by badsectoracula »

simianwords wrote: post #108
ar_lan wrote: post #36

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This is honestly a fantastic question. AGI has no emotions, no drive, anything. Maybe, just maybe, it would want to: * Conserve power as much as possible, to "stay alive". * Optimize for power retention Why would it be further interested in generating capital or governing others, though?

> AGI has no emotions, no drive, anything why do you say that? ever asked chatgpt about anything?

ChatGPT is instructed to roleplay a cheesy cheery bot and so it responds accordingly, but it (and almost any LLM) can be instructed to roleplay any sort of character, none of which mean anything about the system itself.

Of course an AGI system could also be instructed to roleplay such a character, but that doesn't mean it'd be an inherent attribute of the system itself.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by funkyfiddler369 »

ef2efe wrote: post #111
mannanj wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If all jobs were taken by AI in a short time span, the companies owning and operating those AIs would go out of business as no one would be able to afford the products made by the AIs I think The companies would go out of business if the government did not subsidize them as a matter of public or national security interest. Do you think that would not be the case? It doesn't take much for a company with money to lob…

The end game is nationalisation lmao. How people cant see this is mad... It wouldnt be the first time in history a govt has taken into their hands an organisation that is deemed too powerful.

if the government is owned by corporations via the stock markets than governments taking over organisations is privatization via a majority shareholdership and not nationalization.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Post by simianwords »

badsectoracula wrote: post #118
simianwords wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AGI has no emotions, no drive, anything why do you say that? ever asked chatgpt about anything?

ChatGPT is instructed to roleplay a cheesy cheery bot and so it responds accordingly, but it (and almost any LLM) can be instructed to roleplay any sort of character, none of which mean anything about the system itself. Of course an AGI system could also be instructed to roleplay such a character, but that doesn't mean it'd be an inherent attribute of the system itself.

so it has emotions but "it is not an inherent attribute of the system itself" but does it matter? its all the same if one can't tell the difference
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