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Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by numpad0 »

nashashmi wrote: post #37

> Currently, openpilot performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Automated Lane Centering (ALC). openpilot can accelerate, brake automatically for other vehicles, and steer to follow the road/lane. [1] [Some of the] Cars that are currently supported already have "smart cruise" and "lane follow". Why then use a third-party self-driving system? [1] https://comma.ai/openpilot#:~:text=Currently%2C%20ope…

Commercial implementations back when this launched was vastly inferior to it, if users' accounts are to be believed. Obvious signs of too high P in PID and such.

Tesla Autopilot was always available, but they were as sketchy as it always had been. Shoving the head into road barriers and fire trucks with rear ends that were less car looking especially to pre-LLM image recognition models.

OpenPilot also allow retrofits. People who own 2017-2023ish cars, shipped between the times after self driving hype took off and before command signature enforcement was widely implemented, can DIY self driving without re-buying the whole car, put aside whether it's legal or whether you should.

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Post by ranon »

srameshc wrote: post #52

Can someone with technical knowledge explain the key differences between the assisted driving technologies used by Waymo, Tesla, and comma.ai?

Waymo put a ton of sensors, including lidar and cameras, to create a truly driverless experience. Tesla put a ton of cameras to make a mostly driverless experience (but when you need a driver you NEED a driver). Comma strapped a cellphone cam to the windshield to make a semi driverless experience on straightish roads, and a driver must take over when anything complex happens. Source: very happy comma.ai user for many years now

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by nodja »

nashashmi wrote: post #37

> Currently, openpilot performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Automated Lane Centering (ALC). openpilot can accelerate, brake automatically for other vehicles, and steer to follow the road/lane. [1] [Some of the] Cars that are currently supported already have "smart cruise" and "lane follow". Why then use a third-party self-driving system? [1] https://comma.ai/openpilot#:~:text=Currently%2C%20ope…

> My already comes with built in why would I install anything else?

Top voted comment on hacker news btw.

Ok that was probably unnecessarily snarky I hope you don't take offense, but it seems the hacker spirit has been fading more often from this site, we used to replace stuff with inferior versions just to see if we could.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by mannykannot »

october8140 wrote: post #59
tokyobreakfast wrote: post #47

I read at least one thread per day criticizing Tesla self-driving (which has hundreds of highly-paid engineers working on it) as unreliable vaporware, meanwhile I'm supposed to hack my car with some code off a GitHub repo? I'll be adding this to my list of 101 creative ways to die, behind basement apartment in Venice, Italy.

Creating an open source project makes a space for collaboration. There is a future where every manufacturer shares the same self-driving software. You already trust your privacy and financial security to open source projects. There is a future where you also trust it for a self driving car.

Maybe, but it is the present which concerns me.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by hcazz »

knowitnone3 wrote: post #104
digitalPhonix wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mercedes Drive Pilot (“SAE Level 3”) is certified on some very specific stretches of insterstate in California to not require the driver to be responsible. https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot Requirements: - Stop and go traffic (or less than 40mph?) - On some specific sections of highway - Driver doesn’t need to monitor but must be ready to take over with 15(?) seconds of the system requesting > Merce…

that's really dumb of Mercedes take on that liability for little benefit - sell more cars, make more profit? My prediction is MB drops this or goes bankrupt in the next 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE

Not sure you understand how "The Formula" works. The profit generated by adding this feature will outweigh the cost of any resulting accidents that they take liability for.

A less pessimistic way of phrasing it is that within the boundaries they've defined, their self driving system is so much better than a human that they're willing to assume responsibility for crashes deemed "at-fault" while using the system.

Not intentionally trying to compare that with other automakers, but Mercedes is the only "you can buy now" vehicle (ignoring robotaxis/Waymo/others) that assumes liability with those capabilities. Until other automakers provide that legal guarantee, they're parlor tricks at best that will continue to get folks killed in scenarios that they otherwise wouldn't had they been actually paying attention.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by _blk »

bhadass wrote: post #48

there is also sunnypilot, which is a fork of openpilot, and supports more behaviors and cars: https://github.com/sunnypilot/sunnypilot

What's different? From the README I only get that it's trying to match comma's safety as closely as possible - whatever that means

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by josephcsible »

knowitnone3 wrote: post #104
digitalPhonix wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mercedes Drive Pilot (“SAE Level 3”) is certified on some very specific stretches of insterstate in California to not require the driver to be responsible. https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot Requirements: - Stop and go traffic (or less than 40mph?) - On some specific sections of highway - Driver doesn’t need to monitor but must be ready to take over with 15(?) seconds of the system requesting > Merce…

that's really dumb of Mercedes take on that liability for little benefit - sell more cars, make more profit? My prediction is MB drops this or goes bankrupt in the next 10 years.

They need to take on that liability to let the human driver stop paying attention, and being able to do that is huge.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by numpad0 »

LoganDark wrote: post #68

Huh, no love for the Toyota bZ / Subaru Solterra. I wonder if there's a reason or if just nobody's gotten to it yet. (It does have good built-in ACC.)

It requires steering and cruise control to be able to be controlled by the random pieces of code downloaded from GitHub.

So a 1920s Fords are out, and 2035 BYD flying cars with post-quantum cryptographic command signature enforcement are out too. Toyota bZ sits somewhere in the middle of those. IIRC they got past some types of Toyota security keys but not all.

Re: Comma openpilot – Open source driver-assistance

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Post by dandersch »

jyscao wrote: post #82
nomel wrote: post #33

There's a few Lex Fridman podcasts with George Hotz, the founder. Highly recommend them: #31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI #132 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3gNaAVjQ4 #387 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrTrx42DGQ

No idea how Fridman manages to bring on the type of high profile guests that he does. Guy does not ask good questions and has the charisma of a wet rag,

Guests don't care about charisma, they care who your previous guests were. He early on got Elon Musk as a guest (AFAIK by writing a paper that was overly favorable to Tesla) and managed to snowball that into a big podcast.

Also guests agreeing to go on your show means they already want to talk about something, so in a way it's more important to shut up than ask good questions.

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