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House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by direwolf20 »

dfajgljsldkjag wrote: post #30

I have heard stories in Minneapolis about ICE remotely unlocking cars and opening windows. This seems technically possible to me. It makes me worry about public safety if the government has this control. I imagine a future where the government disables cars based on a score in a Palantir database. We need the right to use a car to escape danger. I also think encryption is important for defense against tyranny. The Se…

Ha! The government still classifies encryption as a munition, which means you have a constitutional right to own it. Nice!

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by ghthor »

esalman wrote: post #76
boston_clone wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not saying you’re wrong, but we have to get in the habit of sourcing our claims! whistleblowers testified to Congress about this memo that began circulating around mid-2025. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26499371-dhs-ice-mem...

Some people also need to get in the habit of researching a claim by themselves.

Pretty sure doing your own research turns you into a conspiracy theorist; so I don’t think we’re supposed to do that anymore.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by krapp »

ghthor wrote: post #112
esalman wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people also need to get in the habit of researching a claim by themselves.

Pretty sure doing your own research turns you into a conspiracy theorist; so I don’t think we’re supposed to do that anymore.

No it doesn't. Conspiracy theorists don't actually do research. If they did, that might risk invalidating their theory.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

krapp wrote: post #113
ghthor wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure doing your own research turns you into a conspiracy theorist; so I don’t think we’re supposed to do that anymore.

No it doesn't. Conspiracy theorists don't actually do research. If they did, that might risk invalidating their theory.

At least some conspiracy theorists do selective research.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by singleshot_ »

quantumfissure wrote: post #70
mmooss wrote: post #67

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Finding some precedents doesn't address the major changes. Do you really dispute there have been major changes in executive branch behavior? > Wait till you hear about a kid named Elian Gonzalez Elian's mother died at sea, trying to reach the US from Cuba with Elian. Elian's father sought to bring the child back to Cuba, but an uncle in Miami refused to surrender custody. Obviously, barring something unusual, a fathe…

> Do you really dispute there have been major changes in executive branch behavior? No, but recent actions in the last 20 years, and certainly the last year have absolutely proven to me the Executive Branch, as I've been saying since the Reagan administration, has always had too much power. > I don't see how that is related to the current warrantless home invasion policy. While I agree, the point is the methods are t…

> INS and Border Patrol is exempt from (some) warrants. Border Patrol handled that raid. Badly.

INS does not exist. While an agency may be exempt from (some) warrants, it is an undisputed fact that the raid that resulted in the capture of Elián González included a valid search warrant.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by iamnothere »

bluGill wrote: post #82
iamnothere wrote: post #56

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Just be aware that newer vehicles often have more things that can and will fail, and parts seem less standardized these days, so you may not be able to keep it running past the expected service lifetime. Older vehicles (depending on the platform) often use common parts that are shared even across manufacturers. And third party manufacturers keep cranking out new stock for them. I am hoping that this type of system de…

Parts were mostly never standardized. The difference is when a production run ends they would sell all the tooling to a third party that makes parts under their own name. (and even before production ends parts that break often are worth duplicating). With computers when the production run of the LCD, CPU, ... ends nobody is making more. Even if you could get the software to install, nobody makes the computer at all a…

Fair, standardized probably isn’t the right term. Maybe common usage is a better term? I saw a video where someone was modifying a Dodge Viper and found that it used a Ford branded control switch or relay, not even the same company! Although that is a bit of an outlier.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by antisthenes »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #114
krapp wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn't. Conspiracy theorists don't actually do research. If they did, that might risk invalidating their theory.

At least some conspiracy theorists do selective research.

Selective research is an oxymoron.

The word for it is cherry-picking and it is better classified as a fallacy.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by pseudalopex »

pjc50 wrote: post #50
shrubble wrote: post #26

So imagine you attend a planned protest at the state capitol. You drive and when within 3 miles your car dies. You can start it again and drive away, turning around and leaving, but if you go further towards the capitol it dies again. The next day the press reports that the planned protest was very sparsely attended.

Do protests have parking?

Cities have parking. And passengers can exit a car without the driver.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by scarecrowbob »

pjc50 wrote: post #50
shrubble wrote: post #26

So imagine you attend a planned protest at the state capitol. You drive and when within 3 miles your car dies. You can start it again and drive away, turning around and leaving, but if you go further towards the capitol it dies again. The next day the press reports that the planned protest was very sparsely attended.

Do protests have parking?

Our local municipality has (in the distant past) made all of the business park on-street parking into "no parking" zones. They also heavily enforce parking regulations in the area during actions...

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by scotty79 »

AngryData wrote: post #61
scotty79 wrote: post #55

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At the moment the government with 15% hardcore support is rounding up people on the streets en masse, violating decades of established practices, while harming industrial base that depend on work of those people. And somehow pretty much everyone peacefully goes along with it. Or get occasionally shot.

And? Minnesota is under strike right now and Arizona's AG just told its citizens that they can legally shoot ICE if they don't properly identify themselves or have a warrant or legal cause to arrest them. Still 95% of the nation is operating as normal, but that isn't possible when people are being actively bombed.

You can't imagine 95% of the nation operating as normal when they see in the news that another armed domestic terrorist cell got bombed every few days while being told the country is safer now?
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