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Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by daemin »

tonymet wrote: post #99
daemin wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because these things aren't priorities for management so they aren't for the engineers, the latest fads like AI are priorities and therefore they get integrated everywhere.

that's a copout in my opinion. Most of the quality decisions are established by team culture and experience. If a team is full of webdevs, no amount of management investment in performance will make a good app. conversely, a team of high performance members will be able to deliver quality apps despite management's input.

It still depends on management to determine the culture and what requirements and limitations are most important.

I mean take a look at what happened to Boeing, there were people that cared about quality down in the trenches but they were overridden by the people that didn't care about quality, just about shoving items out the door.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by cogman10 »

LtWorf wrote: post #110
cogman10 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely it does, for 2 different reasons. First up, the nature of dlls is that the same dll for multiple applications gets saved in memory just once. If you have 2 windows applications and one is 32bit and the other 64bit, then both of those applications end up loading up effectively the same dlls, but one is compiled for 64bit apps and the other 32. That nearly doubles the amount of ram needed in a mixed system.…

If you'd ever opened a directory of a program in windows you'd know that they always bring their own dlls, windows is not debian.

Usually, yes. Those aren't the dlls I'm referring to. I'm talking about common dlls that every windows app needs like kernel32.dll.

Every windows app relies on os provided dlls to some extent.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by hulitu »

svrtknst wrote: post #8

I'm not being factious, but is there any Linux distro with a desktop experience that matches Windows and macos? Like, yes, I know there are many flaws with both. A lot of sound, technical issues with windows and macos. A slew of UX ones as well. But despite W11 carrying around remnants of Windows 98 still, both of those OSes _feel nice_. Multiple desktops work well, nice gestures, simple installers and applications.…

> I'm not being factious, but is there any Linux distro with a desktop experience that matches Windows

So crappy ? Maybe something bloated like Ubuntu or Fedora.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by kasabali »

cogman10 wrote: post #96
LtWorf wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of RAM needed.

Absolutely it does, for 2 different reasons. First up, the nature of dlls is that the same dll for multiple applications gets saved in memory just once. If you have 2 windows applications and one is 32bit and the other 64bit, then both of those applications end up loading up effectively the same dlls, but one is compiled for 64bit apps and the other 32. That nearly doubles the amount of ram needed in a mixed system.…

Then explain how Windows 7 64 bit uses much less memory than Windows 11.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by array_key_first »

svrtknst wrote: post #8

I'm not being factious, but is there any Linux distro with a desktop experience that matches Windows and macos? Like, yes, I know there are many flaws with both. A lot of sound, technical issues with windows and macos. A slew of UX ones as well. But despite W11 carrying around remnants of Windows 98 still, both of those OSes _feel nice_. Multiple desktops work well, nice gestures, simple installers and applications.…

KDE, you need to use KDE.

In terms of features and usability, nothing comes close to KDE, and that includes Windows and MacOS. The integration is tight - everything works with each other. Settings has flatpak permissions, the system monitor has widgets you can just use as widgets, the search backend is available in so many places. Functionally, it feels cohesive, and there's basically nothing you can't do.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by tonymet »

daemin wrote: post #111
tonymet wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's a copout in my opinion. Most of the quality decisions are established by team culture and experience. If a team is full of webdevs, no amount of management investment in performance will make a good app. conversely, a team of high performance members will be able to deliver quality apps despite management's input.

It still depends on management to determine the culture and what requirements and limitations are most important. I mean take a look at what happened to Boeing, there were people that cared about quality down in the trenches but they were overridden by the people that didn't care about quality, just about shoving items out the door.

Good example .

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by egeres »

This Christmas I bought my mom a new computer because her old one (W10) was falling apart. It took some time but I managed to convince her to give ubuntu a try instead of moving to W11. After a week of complaints and stubbornness, she got really surprised about the lack of annoying prompts asking for updates, dark patterns to switch to edge, promotions etc. Now she has fully adapted and for her basic needs (browsing, reading pdfs, editing spreadsheets) she's basically set for life

It's shocking to read the headlines about the latest direction windows is taking and how user unfriendly is becoming

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Post by lousken »

egeres wrote: post #119

This Christmas I bought my mom a new computer because her old one (W10) was falling apart. It took some time but I managed to convince her to give ubuntu a try instead of moving to W11. After a week of complaints and stubbornness, she got really surprised about the lack of annoying prompts asking for updates, dark patterns to switch to edge, promotions etc. Now she has fully adapted and for her basic needs (browsing,…

Keep in mind ubuntu does not ask for updates - snap just updates apps as it wants. So sometimes firefox just breaks because of it.
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