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GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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How?

Poison Fountain: https://rnsaffn.com/poison2/ https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/11/industry_insiders_see...

Yea, this will work about as well as those image poisoners... they'll eat up more power, but won't have any effect at the end of the day.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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This is an article that I agreed with more reading the headline than I did when I finished reading the article itself. Stack Overflow peaked in 2014 before beginning it's downward decline. How is that at all related to GenAI? GPT4 is when we really started seeing these things get used to replace SO, etc., and that would be early 2023 - and indeed the drop gets worse there - but after the COVID era spike, SO was alrea…

I feel no nostalgia for Stackoverflow. I always found it very frustrating that for a person at the start of the learning curve it was "read only" Actually asking a naive question there was to get horribly flamed on the site. It, and the people using it, were very keen to explain how stupid you were being LLMs on the other hand are sweet and welcoming (to a fault) of the naive newbie I have been learning to use Shell…

That was sort of my experience as well. I already had more than a decade of development experience, asked maybe two questions in a 6 month window (not easy ones), and instead of answers got negative remarks. Never logged in again.

I should note that the first time I asked question, I also spent hours reviewing other unanswered requests - and if memory serves me - while I didn't have solutions for any of them, I gave concrete examples of how to debug the problem(s) to narrow down the variables.

I'd estimate that this was around 2012. Never went back after that.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

#113

AI solves few problems that humans can't already solve, and creates systemic problems for which there are no solution. It's poison.

I have a lot of opinions about LLMs, and most are not positive due to the error rate, the security nightmare, the IP issues, the ecological impact and the hype, hype, hype that stands in direct opposition from my years of experiments (starting in 2019).

But, I have to admit that a few years ago LLMs became part of my daily workflow for low-risk repetitive tasks, and sometimes even "sound boarding".

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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The old model of selling eyeballs to advertisers was horrible I do not know what will replace it, but I will not miss websites trying to monetise my attention

The GenAI providers will certainly explore advertisement revenue. They're not doing much of it yet because they're trying to gain market share while they figure out what what pain threshold of advertising their users will tolerate. People today may have a better sense of the downsides of ad-based services than we did when the internet was becoming mainstream. Back then, the minor inconvenience of seeing a few ads see…

"Back then, the minor inconvenience of seeing a few ads seemed worth all the benefits of access all the internet had to offer"

Yes and no. I complained about ads to a partner back in 1999. He seemed surprised, and said something to the effect of "well that's how the content you are consuming is paid for".

My argument (25 years ago now) was that it wasn't the ads as much as it was the ads blocking content, slowing the page load, being intrusive, etc.

So, even "Back Then" it was an issue. Now, it's on steroids with all the aforementioned behaviours being even worse now (e.g., reload an entire page on mobile in order to load a new ad, pages jumping around as new ads are loaded, more pop-ups, etc.) but exacerbated by the privacy nightmare of weaponized data collection.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think the underlying issues were evident very early in the "www" environment.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Henry Ford didn't make his cars out of buggy whips. He made a new industry. He didn't cannibalize an existing one. You cannot make an LLM without digesting the source material.

> He made a new industry. He didn't cannibalize an existing one. I don't see how you can claim the second part is true. Cars directly cannibalized other forms of self transportation.

? Cars don't "eat" horses. I wouldn't equate "making redundant" with "consuming"

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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I feel no nostalgia for Stackoverflow. I always found it very frustrating that for a person at the start of the learning curve it was "read only" Actually asking a naive question there was to get horribly flamed on the site. It, and the people using it, were very keen to explain how stupid you were being LLMs on the other hand are sweet and welcoming (to a fault) of the naive newbie I have been learning to use Shell…

It was very strange to me how StackOverflow consistently, every time it was mentioned everyone had exactly the same complaints and nothing changed. They can't have been unaware of the reputation or the sinking activity rates.

For years every single company announcement has been downvoted to -500 and flooded with comments and answers saying it's terrible and what the real problems are. They don't care. Now they are finding out.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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Isn't this a self solving problem? If LLMs won't be able to solve a certain problem, arbitrage opportunities open to solve it as a human (by writing a blog post for example), just like in the old days, people typically did this for fame. I think LLMs can be understood as a really good way to search existing solutions, including combining multiple solutions in the fly. Only if something cannot be "found", we go back t…

There's zero fame for writing a blog post that's ingested by LLMs and adds to their knowledge base so they answer the question correctly next time.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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It was easier to install adblock than to lobotomize a LLM (for which you likely don't even have the weights), so I don't know about that one.

To be fair yes, but I am finding that its much easier to lobotomize in the sense that atleast open source models like glm 4.7 are really permissive & even some non open source models are permissive as well. of course chatgpt might deny it but It is just the tip of the ice berg. My worries actually are that we might use these models and think we are private but when in actuality, we are not. We are probably gonna see…

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Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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> He made a new industry. He didn't cannibalize an existing one. I don't see how you can claim the second part is true. Cars directly cannibalized other forms of self transportation.

? Cars don't "eat" horses. I wouldn't equate "making redundant" with "consuming"

LLMs don't literally eat artists. I think you understood the metaphor.

Re: GenAI, the snake eating its own tail

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> They can try to solve that problem Well, they could always try actually paying content creators. Unlike - for instance - StackOverflow.

StackOverflow as built back in the days of Web 2.0 where the idea was that user generated content formed in the days of the (relatively) altruistic web. There isn't any clean way to do "contributor gets paid" without adding in an entire mess of "ok, where is the money coming from? Paywalls? Advertising? Subscriptions?" and then also get into the mess of international money transfers (how do you pay someone in Iran fr…

Stack Overflow is making money by selling its database to AI companies. It chose not to reimburse the people who built that database.
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