As a reference, ~1500-2000 people die every year due to cars in Spain.
High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So I would standby for this tragedy to be used for political purposes This is an ignorant opinion. For multiple reasons. Derailing under these circumstances is a track issue, which means ADIF, the state's infrastructure maintainer, is under suspicion. Not operators, the state's infrastructure maintainer. Liberalization of the railway sector is an EU-wide mandate. It's not some whimsical slip of a single country's l…
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> The government during that time (of the same party than this one) did nothing.
It looks like you're quite interested in pointing out that the culprit of this 2013 accident was the same party which is now in office, but even if we take a look at your sources, it says something different:
"Las víctimas creen que hubo cuatro decisiones críticas. Primero, el cambio de proyecto original realizado por Blanco, que suprimió el sistema de seguridad ERTMS en la vía justo antes de Angrois. Segundo, la decisión del ministerio de Ana Pastor de desconectar el sistema embarcado en el Alvia, desactivando una medida técnica que habría ayudado a mitigar el riesgo de un error humano como el que tuvo el maquinista. La tercera decisión fue ignorar un aviso por escrito de un jefe de maquinistas advirtiendo del riesgo en la curva de Angrois. La cuarta, que Adif y Renfe permitieron poner en servicio la línea sin haber realizado el análisis y evaluación de riesgos que exigía la normativa."
There we can read that not only the former minister Blanco (socialist) was to blame according to the demonstrators, but also Ana Pastor (conservative) whose party was in charge when the accident happened.
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#113Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39
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> The current government has been found to be cutting corners Where do the articles mention that the current government has been cutting corners? In fact, they have increased the current investment plan on the Cercanías commuter railway network to more than 7,000 million euro, from 5.000 million that the previous government planned[1]. Now, this isn't to that the current political landscape is fine because ( as portr…
Quick reminder that more spending does not equal better spending.
Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The current government has been found to be cutting corners Where do the articles mention that the current government has been cutting corners? In fact, they have increased the current investment plan on the Cercanías commuter railway network to more than 7,000 million euro, from 5.000 million that the previous government planned[1]. Now, this isn't to that the current political landscape is fine because ( as portr…
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> Maldita.es is founded by ex-employees of La Sexta, a TV channel known to be politically aligned with the socialist party
In this particular article they were fact-checking a wrong claim made by the socialist party, to me that shows that besides their alignment, they care about fact checking information. They also mention that the last three development plans were developed by PP ( People's party ) -- if they're aligned with the socialist party, why are they mentioning this and leave the socialist party "in a bad light"?
In regard to the state of the railway network, I totally agree with what you mentioned. Thought corruption will inevitably occur and doesn't mean that the persons above are aware of it nor that the socialist party is intentionally cutting funds. Nonetheless, totally unacceptable.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree, but we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I get that there are a lot of luddites on HN these days. The fact that you consider it vomit rather than useful information just says more about you than me. If there was just a wiki page on how railway terms were used in computing, I would have just linked that (search didn't turn up anything in the first few pages).
At least ask it to summarise. I'm not against reading AI text, but the more verbose it gets, the worst reading it feels.
Yeah a summary is fine. Or a paragraph from the relevant part.
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#117Taking the commuter train to and from Dublin, sometimes another train on the other direction passes and it's a bit unnerving. I cannot imagine such a collision between two high speed trains :(
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I think you are just stirring the pot and cherry picking news.
"Cercanias" is a different rail network to the one where the accident happened (high-speed). Also the political issue that you are mentioning happened 5 years ago on a single individual not directly affiliated to the organization that manages the rail network. Please let's be serious and bring constructive things to the conversation
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can tell that you really don't like the current government but you should relax a little. There is an accident with death people, maybe people still trapped there and the causes are still unknown. Too early to start playing politics, don't you think?
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> Is this a poor way of attempting to attack my arguments either an ad hominem?
They're only warning that your comments about this accident seem to be politically motivated, so that they should be taken with a grain of salt.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The current government has been found to be cutting corners Where do the articles mention that the current government has been cutting corners? In fact, they have increased the current investment plan on the Cercanías commuter railway network to more than 7,000 million euro, from 5.000 million that the previous government planned[1]. Now, this isn't to that the current political landscape is fine because ( as portr…
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> Maldita.es is founded by ex-employees of La Sexta, a TV channel known to be politically aligned with the socialist party (currently in the government).
How does that relate to the Maldita.es article linked by GP commenter? The article starts by debunking a false claim that was made by a minister in the socialist government against the conservative regional government of Madrid.