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Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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French here, what was the the 2nd Amendment already? > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. A yes, "necessary to the security of a free State", so, what about it?

The US has a well-regulated (= heavily-armed) militia. It's the NRA and it's on the side of the dictatorship. Somehow they completely forgot that their purpose was to stand up to a tyrannical government, not to support it.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

#112

As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

I wouldn't be so sure. A long time ago an ex-serviceman told me the danger sign isn't when troops from NY state are deployed in NYC, it's when troops from Kentucky are deployed in NYC. In this case they're bringing troops in from Alaska to deploy in Minneapolis, they may as well be occupying forces from another country.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

#113

As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

The full oath is as follows 10 U.S.C. S: 502 S: 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer (a) Enlistment Oath.- Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath: I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I…

Are you sure it's still that and hasn't been changed to "I swear by God this holy oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to the President of the United States and people, Donald Trump, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath"?

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

#114

As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

The full oath is as follows 10 U.S.C. S: 502 S: 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer (a) Enlistment Oath.- Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath: I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I…

Note that the Officer's oath Does not mention the President:

> I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Title 5 U.S. Code 3331, an individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services)

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

#115

As a veteran, I have optimism these active duty military troops will recognize their duty. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". ICE is the best example of a domestic enemy I have seen.

The full oath is as follows 10 U.S.C. S: 502 S: 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer (a) Enlistment Oath.- Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath: I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I…

The full text of Title 5 U.S. Code Section 3331 is as follows

5 U.S.C. S: 3331 - Oath of office

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." This section does not affect other oaths required by law.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

#116
post #6

French here, what was the the 2nd Amendment already? > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. A yes, "necessary to the security of a free State", so, what about it?

Many Americans don't value the 2nd amendment very much. Public opinion in Minnesota in particular, is largely in favour of strict gun laws. Many anti-gun advocates claim that developing a militia against the government is futile and even counterproductive.

You point out the views of anti-gun folks while failing to note that all those loud & proud 2A advocates seem to be pretty happy with the current turn of events and not showing up at all as the government overreaches and repeatedly shits on the Constitution. I imagine there a quite a number of Don't Tread On Me gun lovers in ICE.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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What militias? I always thought the state nat guard were the modern militias not the fat old man LARPers you hear talking in gun stores.

The definition of "militias" tends to depend on your political affiliation and the interpretation of that word is often a strong argument determined by how you felt about the 2nd amendment. The framers certainly didn't think of militias either as the professional standing force that is the national guard nor could they probably even conceive of these little gun enthusiast wannabe paramilitary groups (or maybe if they…

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Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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And the ringleader of the fraud was a white woman who is awaiting sentencing, but they ignore that part

That was just one case. There's a lot of other decentralized fraud that had nothing to do with that person.

What other fraud? The Feeding Our Future fraud is the biggest case and they got caught and prosecuted. 80 people have been convicted

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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The Libertarian Party advocates for free and open immigration. Are you going to sit here and tell us that the Libertarians are far-left?

That's the most disingenuous argument yet, that completely ignores reality. The libertarian party does NOT advocate for illegal immigration today. Only once NAP-violating governments are abolished, do they contend that the harmful effects of unconstrained immigration are non-existent. They argue that if you want complete freedom of movement, you must first give up all claim to nonconsensual government force, includin…

The Libertarian Party does not put all of those caveats on their stance and you sure as hell didn't in your polemic post.

Your argument is nothing but pedantry anyway. The libertarian stance is that most immigration laws should be abolished. Whether or not the books on the laws reflect their stance doesn't change that is their stance. They advocate for open boarders and migration free from government interference.

Re: Around 1,500 soldiers on standby for deployment to Minneapolis

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That was just one case. There's a lot of other decentralized fraud that had nothing to do with that person.

What other fraud? The Feeding Our Future fraud is the biggest case and they got caught and prosecuted. 80 people have been convicted

Out of the 78 convicted, 77 were of Somali or African descent. So saying the ringleader was white doesn't discount or minimize that fact.
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