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San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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In a lot of 3rd world and less well off countries, childcare is done by the grandparents(mostly grandmothers), I'm always surprised why this isn't true in the west. Here we have an aging population, so grandparent/grandchild ratio should be very high.

Boomers broke the chain.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s generally how good governments work yes.

At some point you run out of other people’s money and have bread lines.

But if you don’t spend money, you will also become a failed state because the infrastructure required to generate value has failed.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#113

In a lot of 3rd world and less well off countries, childcare is done by the grandparents(mostly grandmothers), I'm always surprised why this isn't true in the west. Here we have an aging population, so grandparent/grandchild ratio should be very high.

My guess would be that in developed countries, people are having kids older and older, so the grandparents are accordingly also older and more tired. That combined with multi-generational households being all but gone so now you're picking up and leaving off and all the kind of cooking and general housekeeping is also doubled.

If your parents had you at 25 and you have kids at 25 then your parents are 50 when you have a kid. Nowhere close to retirement age. People who are still working can't watch the kids five days a week.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #68

Subsidizing childcare helps families stay, but it doesn't address why childcare, housing, and everything else are so expensive in the first place

Childcare is fundamentally expensive because it fundamentally involves a large portion of a person's labor and this labor needs to be local to you. One person can only watch so many infants (and we have reasonable regulations limiting the number people are allowed to watch).

Even if you eliminate all other overhead costs (rent, admin, materials, insurance, etc) you are still paying for a large portion of somebody's salary.

The reason childcare feels expensive is because society has spent generations undervaluing childrearing as labor.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s generally how good governments work yes.

At some point you run out of other people’s money and have bread lines.

What? Bread lines are a response to poverty caused by a failure of the market and typically involve institutions giving out free bread using other people's money.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#116

In a lot of 3rd world and less well off countries, childcare is done by the grandparents(mostly grandmothers), I'm always surprised why this isn't true in the west. Here we have an aging population, so grandparent/grandchild ratio should be very high.

Two factors. 1. In an institution there are more kids/adult. 2. Child care is valued below average by society.

Combine these and it makes a lot of sense to trade a few below average valued workers for the release of many above average valued workers into the economy.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#117

In a lot of 3rd world and less well off countries, childcare is done by the grandparents(mostly grandmothers), I'm always surprised why this isn't true in the west. Here we have an aging population, so grandparent/grandchild ratio should be very high.

My brother's two boys both had kids. One of them, his wife, was going to go back to work after giving birth but had horrible feelings and cried when she took the baby to daycare after maternity leave. She quit and now stays home taking care of her baby. The other boy, his wife, also cried and was torn between going back to a job she loved but felt incredibly guilty about leaving her newborn to daycare. She was fortun…

Sure, it does happen but it’s not the normal model. Every mother feels horrible and cries when they institutionalize their kids, western society is based on most people doing this regardless. It is not scalable to educate women for 20 years just to have them become stay at home moms, just as a single farmer today has 40.000 chickens etc.

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am i missing the joke? ChatGPT tells me 3% of 100 is 3, not 0.18.

When I first read it I thought wait, 3% of 6 is 0.18, but then I realized no I'm a dork because 6 is the age of the kid, whereas the number 100 is written as a word hundred, hence I decided to write "HN poster responds:" with quotes around my first non-coffee aided thought because I thought it was funny. I guess I should have just made that full statement, but I do have a tendency to rather oblique communication stra…

I gave your reply the most generous interpretation and read it in the ironic way as you point out in the edit

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#119

In a lot of 3rd world and less well off countries, childcare is done by the grandparents(mostly grandmothers), I'm always surprised why this isn't true in the west. Here we have an aging population, so grandparent/grandchild ratio should be very high.

Two factors. 1. In an institution there are more kids/adult. 2. Child care is valued below average by society. Combine these and it makes a lot of sense to trade a few below average valued workers for the release of many above average valued workers into the economy.

> Child care is valued below average by society.

Capitalist dystopia summed up. "Mommy cannot see you say your first words because having mommy shove papers around is slightly more beneficial economically".

Re: San Francisco to offer free childcare to people making up to $230k

#120

In a lot of 3rd world and less well off countries, childcare is done by the grandparents(mostly grandmothers), I'm always surprised why this isn't true in the west. Here we have an aging population, so grandparent/grandchild ratio should be very high.

A few factors that aren't "lol capitalism":

1. People have kids later, and older grandparents are less likely to be able to care for them

2. Kids moved away and left their parents in the suburbs, so they're not exactly around anyway. Also, a lot of Boomers sold their homes during Covid to cash in and moved elsewhere and/or downsized. So they might not be living in a place where you can just drop the kids off for a weekend.

3. Generally, only one of the grandparents in the Boomer generation is realistically capable of providing childcare, and that's the mom. If she's not alive anymore, you're not getting anything from your dad.

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