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Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by ikidd »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #47
localhost wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what ACP and https://github.com/zed-industries/claude-code-acp enables. ACP controls agents - there is native support in Copilot CLI and Gemini and adapters for claude code and codex.

wow. ACP is used within zed so I guess zed is safe with ACP using claude code I wonder if Opencode could use ACP protocol as well. ACP seems to be a good abstraction, I should probably learn more about it. Any TLDR's on how it works?

opencode acp -- start ACP (Agent Client Protocol) server

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by mistercheph »

Aurornis wrote: post #82
jjallen wrote: post #64

This is definitely Barbara Streisanding right now. I had never heard of OpenCode. But I sure have now! Will have to check it out. Doubt I’ll end up immediately canceling Claude Code Max, but we’ll see.

I don’t know if the Streisand Effect is relevant here since Anthropic will block any other uses of their private APIs, not just OpenCode. The private Claude Code API was never advertised nor sold as a general purpose API for use with any tool. OpenCode is an interesting tool but if this is your first time hearing of it you should probably be aware of their recent unauthenticated RCE issues and the slow response they’…

A coding agent is just a massive RCE, what do you think happens when claude gets prompt injected? Although I don't defend not fixing an RCE.

Absolutely all coding agents should be run in sandboxed containers, 24/7, if you do otherwise, please don't cry when you're pwned.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by mistercheph »

geeunits wrote: post #10

i've been on claude code since before they even HAD subscriptions (api only) and since getting max from day 1 - I haven't once have assumed that access was allowed outside of CC. anyone who thinks otherwise is leaning into that cognitive dissonance

I want more customers like you, eat your slop and say thank you.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by MillionOClock »

Am I understanding it correctly, based on these tweets [1][2], that both Codex and Copilot teams or at least team members mentioned potentially letting people make use of their quotas in third party tools?

I really would like further clarification on those points as I would be pretty interested for a product I'm building if it was indeed made possible.

[1] https://x.com/jaredpalmer/status/2009844004221833625

[2] https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2009714843587342393

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by mcmcmc »

gpm wrote: post #87
Aurornis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Predatory pricing? They have a public API that anyone can use for a public rate. There is no predatory pricing here. The Claude Code endpoint is a private API. They’re free to control usage of their private API.

Predatory pricing is selling something below cost to acquire/maintain market dominance. The Claude subscription used for Claude Code is to all appearances being sold substantially below the cost to run it, and it certainly seems that this is being done to maintain Claude Code's market dominance and force out competitors who cannot afford to subsidize LLM inference in the same way such as OpenCode. It's not a matter o…

The modern consumer benefit doctrine means predatory pricing is impossible to prosecute in 99% of cases. I’m not saying it’s right, but legally it is toothless.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by CGamesPlay »

lemming wrote: post #35

Obviously Anthropic are within their rights to do this, but I don’t think their moat is as big as they think it is. I’ve cancelled my max subscription and have gone over to ChatGPT pro, which is now explicitly supporting this use case.

Honestly, I'm a big Claude Code fan, even despite how bad its CLI application is, because it was so much better than other models. Anthropic's move here pretty much signals to me that the model isn't much better than other models, and that other models are due for a second chance.

If their model was truly ahead of the game, they wouldn't lock down the subsidized API in the same week they ask for 5-year retention on my prompts and permission to use for training. Instead, they would have been focusing on delivering the model more cheaply and broadly, regardless of which client I use to access it.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by lemming »

manquer wrote: post #50
lemming wrote: post #35

Obviously Anthropic are within their rights to do this, but I don’t think their moat is as big as they think it is. I’ve cancelled my max subscription and have gone over to ChatGPT pro, which is now explicitly supporting this use case.

Is opencode that much better than Codex / Claude Code for cli tooling that people are prepared forsake[1] Sonnet 4.5/Opus 4.5 and switch to GPT 5.2-codex ? The moat is Sonnet/Opus not Claude Code it can never be a client side app. Cost arbitrage like this is short lived, until the org changes pricing. For example Anthropic could release say an ultra plan at $500-$1000 with these restrictions removed/relaxed that refl…

I’ve used both Claude and Codex extensively, and I already preferred Codex the model. I didn’t like the harness, but recently pi got good enough to be my daily driver, and I’ve since found that it’s much better than either CC or Codex CLI. It’s OSS, very simple and hackable, and the extension system is really nice. I wouldn’t want to go back to Claude Code even if I were convinced the model were much better - given that I already preferred the alternative it’s a no-brainer. OpenAI have officially allowed the use of pi with their sub, so at least in the short term the risk of a rug pull seems minimal.

Re: Anthropic Explicitly Blocking OpenCode

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Post by mixto »

lemming wrote: post #118
manquer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is opencode that much better than Codex / Claude Code for cli tooling that people are prepared forsake[1] Sonnet 4.5/Opus 4.5 and switch to GPT 5.2-codex ? The moat is Sonnet/Opus not Claude Code it can never be a client side app. Cost arbitrage like this is short lived, until the org changes pricing. For example Anthropic could release say an ultra plan at $500-$1000 with these restrictions removed/relaxed that refl…

I’ve used both Claude and Codex extensively, and I already preferred Codex the model. I didn’t like the harness, but recently pi got good enough to be my daily driver, and I’ve since found that it’s much better than either CC or Codex CLI. It’s OSS, very simple and hackable, and the extension system is really nice. I wouldn’t want to go back to Claude Code even if I were convinced the model were much better - given t…

What is pi?
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