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4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Berlin is a great place to observe policies with good intentions, yet negative second-order effects. Distributing free potatoes will likely cause waste somewhere else, as e.g. people will buy less potatoes in supermarkets. The waste just becomes less visible as supermarkets dispose of food every day. Another current exhibit is the prohibition of using salt for removing snow and ice from the pavements because it's "ba…

Is the concept of someone who usually doesn't eat potatoes getting a bag and spending the next week making some potato dishes really that inconceivable? I don't doubt that this will lead to some waste - I've thrown out more half empty potato bags than I would like to admit - but that's a very negative outlook. Also how do you choose between negative second order effects? Salting roads creates negative effects for gro…

> how do you choose between negative second order effects?

First off you have to identify them. Until you frame the costs and benefits of salting, it isn't clear that the real question is how can we improve pedestrian and vehicular traction without poisoning our plants and water supply. (I'd argue it's frequent ploughing, gravelling and dynamic signs for signalling when chains/snowies/AWD are required.)

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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This is an interesting example of what happens when the supply and demand curve goes into the extreme ends of the chart: The price of "selling" your product goes negative. It costs money to get rid of it. Negative prices occur from time to time in the electricity market because some types of power plants are slow to ramp up and down. So if demand falls too rapidly, spot electricity prices can negative.

When I worked at a Coke bottler in Japan, we had similar issues with product. Stuff that didn't sell was called "Flush Out" and had to be disposed of. You couldn't legally just dump the contents without paying money so I made an app that let employees get cases for shipping costs. It was popular, even though we were usually talking about weird flavours that no one liked (stuff akin to Apple Ginger ale) They eventuall…

Sometimes employee benefits like that have weird tax obligations that the company would rather not deal with.

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Berlin is a great place to observe policies with good intentions, yet negative second-order effects. Distributing free potatoes will likely cause waste somewhere else, as e.g. people will buy less potatoes in supermarkets. The waste just becomes less visible as supermarkets dispose of food every day. Another current exhibit is the prohibition of using salt for removing snow and ice from the pavements because it's "ba…

You could always just clean the snow instead of salting it. It's not rocket science.

Most Berlin sidewalks are uneven cobblestone, not a flat uniform concrete, so the cleaning is probably a lot more difficult than you're envisioning :)

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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The only way to profit was too have a large storage tank.

did it not come with the barrels? I figured you'd just need a warehouse and a truck. (which is a pretty big ask, of course, and maybe free labor to pick it up up and move it into the truck...(

Barrels are over $50 each even in bulk. The oil is often less than the barrel, "1 barrel" of oil is a unit of volume equal to 42 US gallons. The price/barrel is the price of bulk oil, not oil literally transported in barrels.

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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That could be a big potato battery bank? According to google a 200g potato give off about half a volt (0.5v) and 0.2mah 4000 tonnes = 4,000,000 kg = 4,000,000,000 g num potatoes = 4,000,000,000 / 200 = 20,000,000 potatoes volts = 20,000,000 x 0.5v = 10,000,000 volts (10megavolts) current would stay the same at 0.2mah I am not an electrical engineer, what could we do with this?

I think it might better to produce alcohols from it and then burn the liquids and gasses.

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Berlin is a great place to observe policies with good intentions, yet negative second-order effects. Distributing free potatoes will likely cause waste somewhere else, as e.g. people will buy less potatoes in supermarkets. The waste just becomes less visible as supermarkets dispose of food every day. Another current exhibit is the prohibition of using salt for removing snow and ice from the pavements because it's "ba…

>How many trees have to be saved to make it worthwhile for more people breaking their bones? The **** is a death cult. They are very very happy to see you become an invalid if it avoids the death of a sapling. I know that this sounds hyperbolic to the point of being derisive, but it's the observable truth.

Who specifically are you talking about?

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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You could always just clean the snow instead of salting it. It's not rocket science.

Most Berlin sidewalks are uneven cobblestone, not a flat uniform concrete, so the cleaning is probably a lot more difficult than you're envisioning :)

The neighbors snow response contractor had an electric brush on a broom handle, that looked pretty nifty and took like 15 minutes for the whole front to be spotless clean. Then they added a bit of grit, done. The contractor for our block didn’t even show up. Not sure allowing salt would have changed anything.

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Unless there’s some funny unit issue going on (I know there are short and long tons…), it looks like Germany consumed around 5000KT of potatoes in 2022. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/potato-co... > A farm in Saxony has been left with 4,000 tons of potatoes in what Berliner Morgenpost is calling “a story about the absurdities of our food system”. I dunno; it doesn’t seem too absurd, better to have…

I'm having hard time to visualize it, can you convert them in adult elephants and TV Tower height? Bear in mind I only saw asian elephants in zoo.

A ton is a big bag (yes, they get delivered in bags and that’s the name for them), which is pretty exactly a cubic meter. 4000 tons is hence a 2x2meter tower, 1km high. Or 20mx20m, 10m high.not sure how high you can stack TV towers or Asian elephants. The conversion is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Berlin is a great place to observe policies with good intentions, yet negative second-order effects. Distributing free potatoes will likely cause waste somewhere else, as e.g. people will buy less potatoes in supermarkets. The waste just becomes less visible as supermarkets dispose of food every day. Another current exhibit is the prohibition of using salt for removing snow and ice from the pavements because it's "ba…

Salting your ground water is also a second-order effect. The way you put that statement into quotes shows that you value human well being over everything else. Personally I don't. Life on earth is a co-op and we don't win by being the last ones standing, as we are desperately trying right now.

Re: 4k tons of potatoes to be given away for free in Berlin

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Berlin is a great place to observe policies with good intentions, yet negative second-order effects. Distributing free potatoes will likely cause waste somewhere else, as e.g. people will buy less potatoes in supermarkets. The waste just becomes less visible as supermarkets dispose of food every day. Another current exhibit is the prohibition of using salt for removing snow and ice from the pavements because it's "ba…

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