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The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by TheDong »

twoodfin wrote: post #38
mh2266 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is there some reason to implement it as a time limit instead of iterations or something else deterministic? it being affected by CPU speed or machine load seems obvious. or whatever makes sense if “iterations” isn’t a thing, I know nothing about chess algorithms

It’s simpler. Chess is a search through the space of possible moves, looking for a move that’s estimated to be better than the best move you’ve seen so far. The search is by depth of further moves, and “better” is a function of heuristics (explicit or learned) on the resulting board positions, because most of the time you can’t be sure a move will inevitably result in a win or a loss. So any particular move evaluatio…

> To throw a consistent amount of compute at each move, the simple thing to do is give the engine consistent amounts of time per move.

The simple thing to do is give it a limit on the total number of states it can explore in its search.

If your goal is consistency, wall-clock time makes no sense. If I run 'make -j20', should the chess computer become vastly easier because the CPU is being used to compile, not search? Should 'nice -n 20 ' make the chess computer worse?

Should my computer thermal-throttling because it's a hot day make the chess computer worse, so chess is harder in winter?

If the goal is consistency, then wall-clock isn't the simple way to do it.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by billforsternz »

nightpool wrote: post #36
tromp wrote: post #33

Sometimes the airlines chess app gives you the option to play another passenger, but even after waiting for half an hour I've never been hooked up with another player. Has anyone else been able to?

It only works with passengers on your same flight. In practice, it's good for kids in the same family or school group who are sitting across the aisle from each other. I've used it for some of their other games

I know I'm getting old when I read comments like this. It wouldn't have occurred to me in a million years that it might pair me with passengers on another flight. I'm conditioned by having first experienced this feature probably 30 years or so ago when pairing to passengers on other flights would have been science fiction.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by crystal_revenge »

woopwoop wrote: post #4

Last time I flew Delta they no longer had this bot, which made me sad. One of my favorite parts of flying was getting absolutely crushed into a tiny cube by the airplane seat's easy chess bot, and then again by the airplane seat itself when the person in front of me reclines their seat.

> when the person in front of me reclines their seat.

As a reasonably tall person I have never reclined my seat and will forever consider anyone who does an asshole.

The very fact that you can but don’t do something is the precise space where assholeness is defined.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by OlympusMonds »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #113
woopwoop wrote: post #4

Last time I flew Delta they no longer had this bot, which made me sad. One of my favorite parts of flying was getting absolutely crushed into a tiny cube by the airplane seat's easy chess bot, and then again by the airplane seat itself when the person in front of me reclines their seat.

> when the person in front of me reclines their seat. As a reasonably tall person I have never reclined my seat and will forever consider anyone who does an asshole. The very fact that you can but don’t do something is the precise space where assholeness is defined.

Surely you should blame the airlines, rather than the individuals. They cram more people on, giving you less space - but charge the same - and you get mad at other customers, rather than them for cramming you in.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by arjvik »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #113
woopwoop wrote: post #4

Last time I flew Delta they no longer had this bot, which made me sad. One of my favorite parts of flying was getting absolutely crushed into a tiny cube by the airplane seat's easy chess bot, and then again by the airplane seat itself when the person in front of me reclines their seat.

> when the person in front of me reclines their seat. As a reasonably tall person I have never reclined my seat and will forever consider anyone who does an asshole. The very fact that you can but don’t do something is the precise space where assholeness is defined.

I personally believe that the ideal situation is in fact everyone reclining their seat

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by mcmoor »

School-Cotton wrote: post #19
sbrother wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Uh, isn't 2000 like extremely fucking good? 2. I played a chess bot on Delta on easy and it was really bad, felt like random moves. I beat it trivially and I am actually bad at chess, ~1000 on chess.com. I wonder if this one is different?

Note that 2000 on lichess is probably weaker than 2000 on chess.com (or USCF or FIDE)

I heard it's never intended to be the same since initial rating for Lichess and chess.com respectively is 1500 and 1200. So they should have 300 rating difference on average. Quite fitting with what the other commenter claims actually.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by shadowpho »

TheDong wrote: post #111
twoodfin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s simpler. Chess is a search through the space of possible moves, looking for a move that’s estimated to be better than the best move you’ve seen so far. The search is by depth of further moves, and “better” is a function of heuristics (explicit or learned) on the resulting board positions, because most of the time you can’t be sure a move will inevitably result in a win or a loss. So any particular move evaluatio…

> To throw a consistent amount of compute at each move, the simple thing to do is give the engine consistent amounts of time per move. The simple thing to do is give it a limit on the total number of states it can explore in its search. If your goal is consistency, wall-clock time makes no sense. If I run 'make -j20', should the chess computer become vastly easier because the CPU is being used to compile, not search?…

>If the goal is consistency, then wall-clock isn't the simple way to do it.

It’s simpler than doing a limit on number of states, and for some applications consistency isn’t super important.

Doing a time limit also enforces bot moving in a reasonable time. It puts a nice limit to set up a compromise between speed and difficulty.

Doing state limit with a time limit might be better way to do it, but is harder.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by kaonwarb »

kazinator wrote: post #85
woopwoop wrote: post #4

Last time I flew Delta they no longer had this bot, which made me sad. One of my favorite parts of flying was getting absolutely crushed into a tiny cube by the airplane seat's easy chess bot, and then again by the airplane seat itself when the person in front of me reclines their seat.

Some low cost airlines no longer have anything. A small fold-out tray to hold your tablet. There is Wi-Fi to access an intranet with flight information and maybe some entertainment. If you have that, you just load it up with games from your play store.

This is increasingly common in domestic US full-price airlines. It makes sense, in a way - most folks have their own devices, and the airlines save money and weight and don't have to worry about future tech obsolescence - but still makes me a bit sad.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by mjevans »

arjvik wrote: post #115
crystal_revenge wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the person in front of me reclines their seat. As a reasonably tall person I have never reclined my seat and will forever consider anyone who does an asshole. The very fact that you can but don’t do something is the precise space where assholeness is defined.

I personally believe that the ideal situation is in fact everyone reclining their seat

Can I have the 5th element padded roller beds that are disinfected between every use?

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by DaSHacka »

dheera wrote: post #98
nightpool wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It only works with passengers on your same flight. In practice, it's good for kids in the same family or school group who are sitting across the aisle from each other. I've used it for some of their other games

Aren't they all hooked up to Wi-Fi now? Why the restriction on same flight?

That's how the system was originally designed, before in flight WiFi was common. If they're gonna hook it up to the broader internet and allow playing games cross-flight, they might as well just hook it up to an existing service like chess.com and have a significantly larger user base imo
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