Software dev's training the model with their code making themselves obsolete is encouraged not banned.
Claude code making itself obsolete is banned.
Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#112I find it slightly ironic that Anthropic benefits from ignoring intellectual property but then tries to enforce it on their competitors. How would they even detect that you used CC on a competitor? There's surely no ethical reason to not do it, it seems unenforceable.
they just ask LLM to backdoor report if anyone asks to build something they dont want. Its a massive surveillance issue.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#113I think this is kind of a nothingburger. This reads like a standard clause in any services contract. I also cannot (without a license): 1. Pay for a stock photo library and train an image model with it that I then sell. 2. Use a spam detection service, train a model on its output, then sell that model as a competitor. 3. Hire a voice actor to read some copy, train a text to speech model on their voice, then sell that…
> I don't even think they care about the CLI
No they actually do, basically they provide claude code subscription model for 200$ which is a loss making leader and you can realistically get value of even around 300-400$ per month or even more (close to 1000$) if you were using API
So why do they bear the loss, I hear you ask?
Because it acts as a marketing expensive for them. They get so much free advertising in sense from claude code and claude code is still closed source and they enforce a lot of restrictions which other mention (sometimes even downstream) and I have seen efforts of running other models on top of claude but its not first class citizen and there is still some lock-in
On the other hand, something like opencode is really perfect and has no lock-in and is absolutely goated. Now those guys and others had created a way that they could also use the claude subscription itself via some methods and I think you were able to just use OAuth sign up and that's about it.
Now it all goes great except for anthropic because the only reason Anthropic did this was because they wanted to get marketing campaign/lock-in which OpenCode and others just stopped, thus they came and did this. opencode also prevented any lockins and it has the ability to swap models really easily which many really like and thus removing dependence on claude as a lock-in as well
I really hate this behaviour and I think this is really really monopolistic behaviour from Anthropic when one comes to think about it.
Theo's video might help in this context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh6aFBnwQj4 (Anthropic just burned so much trust...)
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#114As long as I have a Claude subscription, why do they care what harness I use to access their very profitable token inference business?
Because your subscription depends on the very API business. Anthropic's cogs is rent of buying x amount of h100s. cost of a marginal query for them is almost zero until the batch fills up and they need a new cluster. So, API clusters are usually built for peak load with low utilization (filled batch) at any given time. Given AI's peak demand is extremely spiky they end up with low utilization numbers for API support.…
> Your subscription is supposed to use that free capacity. Hence, the token costs are not that high, hence you could buy that. But it needs careful management that you dont overload the system. There is a claude code telemetry which identifies the request as lower priority than API (and probably decide on queueing + caching too). If your harness makes 10 parallel calls everytime you query, and not manage context as well as claude code, its overwhelming the system, degrading the performance for others too. And if everyone just wants to use subscription and you have no api takers, the price of subscription is not sustainable anyway. In a way you are relying on others' generosity for the cheap usage you get.
I understand what you mean but outright removing the ability for other agents to use the claude code subscription is still really harsh
If telemetry really is a reason (Note: I doubt it is, I think the marketing/lock-ins aspect might matter more but for the sake of discussion, lets assume so that telemetry is in fact the reason)
Then, they could've simply just worked with co-ordination with OpenCode or other agent providers. In fact this is what OpenAI is doing, they recently announced a partnership/collaboration with OpenCode and are actively embracing it in a way. I am sure that OpenCode and other agents could generate telemetry or atleast support such a feature if need be
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI, a while back said their was no moat. You'll see these AI companies panic more desperately as they all realize it's true.
That's different, though. If 20 other companies can host these models, you still have to trust them. The end result should be cheap hardware that's good enough to large a solid, mature LLM that can code comparably to a fast junior dev.
A more interim way to put it is "The current moat is hardware".
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#116I think this is kind of a nothingburger. This reads like a standard clause in any services contract. I also cannot (without a license): 1. Pay for a stock photo library and train an image model with it that I then sell. 2. Use a spam detection service, train a model on its output, then sell that model as a competitor. 3. Hire a voice actor to read some copy, train a text to speech model on their voice, then sell that…
When you buy a book you’re entering into a well-trodden ToS which is absolutely broken by scanning and/or training.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because of increased supply or reduced demand?
Rather increased supply I assume.
Only a few memory suppliers remain, after years of competition, and they have intentionally reduced NAND wafer supply to achieve record profits and stock prices, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46467946
In theory, China could catch up on memory manufacturing and break the OMEC oligopoly, but they could also pursue high profits and stock prices, if they accept global shrinkage of PC and mobile device supply chains (e.g. Xiaomi pivoted to EVs), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46415338#46419776 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46482777#46483079
AI-enabled wearables (watch, glass, headphones, pen, pendant) seek to replace mobile phones for a subset of consumer computing. Under normal circumstances, that would be unlikely. But high memory prices may make wearables and ambient computing more "competitive" with personal computing.
One way to outlast siege tactics would be for "old" personal computers to become more valuable than "new" non-personal gadgets, so that ambient computers never achieve mass consumer scale, or the price deflation that powered PC and mobile revolutions.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#118This whole situation is getting out of hand. With the development speed AI has it is a matter of time to have a competitor that has 80% what CC does and it is going to be good enough for most of us. Trying Windows the way into this category by Anthropic is not the smartest move.
> that has 80% what CC does OpenCode already does 120% of what CC does.
OpenCode's amazing. I sometimes use it when I want an agent where I dont want to sign up or anything. It can just work without any sign up, just npx opencode (or any valid like pnpx,bunx etc.)
I don't pay for any AI subscription. I just end up building single file applications but they might not be that good sometimes so I did this experiment where I ask gemini in aistudio or chatgpt or claude and get files and end up just pasting it in opencode and asking it to build the file structure and paste it in and everything
If your project includes setting up something say sveltekit or any boilerplate project and contains many many files I recommend this workflow to get the best of both worlds for essentially free
To be really honest, I just end up mostly creating single page main.go files for my use cases from the website directly and I really love them a lot. Sure the code understandability takes a bit of hit but my projects usually stay around ~600 to 1000 at max 2000 lines and I really love this workflow/ for me personally, its just one of the best.
When I try AI agents, they really end up creating 25 files or 50 files and end up overarchitecting. I use AI for prototypes purposes for the most part and that overarchitecture actually hurts.
Mostly I just create software for my own use cases though. Whenever I face any problem that I find remotely interesting that impacts me, I try to do this and this trend has worked remarkably well for me for 0 dollars spent.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#119This is highly monopolistic action in my opinion from Anthropic which actively feel the most hostile towards developers.
This really shouldn't be the direction Anthropic should even go about. It is such a negative direction to go through and they could've instead tried to cooperate with the large open source agents and talking with them/communicating but they decide to do this which in the developer community is met with criticism and rightfully so.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
or you just do it and be in the EU it's a clear anti-competive clause by a dominant market leader, such clauses tend to be void AFIK
It might suffice to just make it look like you’re European to keep their goons from harassing you, which hasn’t happened yet but will, because that’s how these stories always end. Get a PO Box for a credit card and VPN in through Europe.
I think one might argue even a VPN might be enough. Theoretically someone might be European and can have American card or any other countries cards and it would generally be okay.
So the only thing you kind of need to figure out is VPN and ProtonVPN provides free vpn service which does include EU servers access as well
I wonder if Claude Code or these AI services block VPN access though.
If they do, ehh, just buy a EU cheap vps (hetzner my beloved) and call it a day plus you also get a free dev box which can also run your code 24x7 and other factors too.