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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by helloaltalt »

averysmallbird wrote: post #99
TechSquidTV wrote: post #32

Government enacted shut down due to protests. I'd like to hear more about how they actually do this. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-cutting-internet-amid-dead...

There's no single mechanism. Iran's internet is diverse at the edge, and bottlenecked at the international gateway. Censorship, throttling, and (presumably) surveillance occurs at both layers. In some cases, also the region matters (Sistan and Baluchistan for example have experienced extended blackouts). In part that heterogeneity is because they still ideally want to keep businesses or VIPs online to mitigate the ec…

> Consequently, the actual means of blocking tends to be on an ISP basis: some will simply drop packets, some will have left certain endpoints open, some will leave international DNS open, etc etc. All that changes when activists notice, exploit the opening, and then the ISP finds out. And then sometimes the TIC (the gateway) will impose blanket limitations or throttling.

Your international dns is interesting post, can dns over https still work like cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 (I don't think cf would work but still) or any other service?

Is there any iranian person in here hackernews who can test if international dns query works?

There are ways to send some very important data (although small so a little limited but I think in current time if it can help 1% it helps) that I saw that we can program dns to send each other arbitrary data as well

In fact there is a tool which can in fact run dns queries and create a sort of finger like protocol on it called dns.toys https://www.dns.toys/

Which can basically have some cli application like experience on top of dns and there msut be dns tools for communications as well.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by helloaltalt »

Quick question but would tor work in this case?

Is this the first country which genuinely effectively is able to ban tor?

Because even in China, tor can work through bridges or some other methods and even Chinese firewalls aren't so extreme as iran right now.

Edit: forgot that north korea exists so I guess the second country but even in north korea there was this chinese interviewer or japanese interviewer who contacted people in north korea ig and those north koreans then interviewed for the first time completely uncensored north korea and it was brutal (a girl saying both her parents died and she was so so skinny i think) , they then went and smuggled the tapes from north korea to china and then to japan and then the company/production company or something blurred the peoples faces involved for anonymity.

There's also this 1 steam connection in north korea so its just gonna be a mystery if we ever see a north korean person using a tor but I am 99% sure that it wont but north korea also got 1 steam connection so you never know.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by anakaine »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #66
uyzstvqs wrote: post #37

Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access. And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/

I'm also curious about LoRA / sneakernet applications. Have those been widely used in cases of censorship?

Lora is fine if you want to send a very short message. Its not useful for much else.

Its also not a prevalent technology compared to general.internet/mobile phone.

Organising resistance with it is the pipe dream of those who play with chips and antennas, but its not something thats going to happen when crowds and mobs form up in a situation like this. Not least because the hardware is not accessible to your average citizen.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by weregiraffe »

EthanHeilman wrote: post #60
tuhgdetzhh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it possible to jam the starlink receiver?

Yes, but it is more difficult than jamming a typical radio antenna because the starlink uses a directed beam rather than a omnidirectional radio broadcast. This either requires enormous amounts of power, targeting the satellite itself with a directed radio beam, or getting between the satellite and the ground station by bouncing a signal off the ionosphere. The above is for jamming directed beams in general. It is li…

>targeting the satellite itself with a directed radio beam

And good luck targeting enough Starlink satellites...

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by zamadatix »

bpavuk wrote: post #72
zamadatix wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original claim: > The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin. The amendment on the arti…

there are enough Ukrainian sources that did not retract the claim. one of them might point to the original source outside Guardian, but I'm too lazy to search ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ you might start with Mezha, Channel 24, and TSN. arm yourself with a translator.

It was the original author who issued the retraction, The Guardian just had enough credibility to follow up on that. That other news organizations lacked retractions does not make the original reporting of the author's claim any less retracted. If there are reports showing the retraction was bogus and there was separate proof contradicting the original author's retraction that would be something else of course, but you can't just say "I swear you'll find them, just keep looking harder!" or anyone could just make any claim up they wanted.

Thanks to mcintyre1994 for noting the link in the retraction does actually go into the details of why the author retracted the claim https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biog...

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by zamadatix »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #74
zamadatix wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original claim: > The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin. The amendment on the arti…

They link to their updated reporting: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biog... > On Friday, Isaacson tweeted a clarification, writing that “the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.” >…

Good catch, I should have looked closer at the retraction link than I did!

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by coffeemug »

f1shy wrote: post #93
coffeemug wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two counterintuitive/surprising lessons I've come to appreciate: 1.Talent pools in nation states are extraordinarily deep-- much deeper than they appear. Countries can suffer from brain drain for decades (or centuries!) but when conditions call for it, superbly talented people somehow manifest. 2. The correlation between talent and conscience is weak. Nation states always manage to find superbly talented people to wo…

This is so much true! Indeed you can find absolutely everywhere absolutely incredible brilliant people in any area you want. The reason for the 1st and 3rd world is that is difficult to come by enough people and then coordinate them: is about critical mass and alignment. About 2. also 100% true: intelligence/knowledge is totally independent of any other trait.

Right-- talent isn't that useful in a vacuum. You need economic and legal infrastructure that talented people can plug into to be productive. That infrastructure (a) takes a very long time to build and (b) depends on cultural norms that take a long time to evolve and don't find fertile ground everywhere.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by cramsession »

amir734jj wrote: post #90

I'm an Iranian and this protest is very different because it's not about a specific government policy ... It's about the totality of the regime. Unfortunately, government has been following the same old brutal playbook by killing protesters and cutting off the Internet.

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