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ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by alright2565 »

zdragnar wrote: post #74
monooso wrote: post #62

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Not a US citizen, so a genuine question: do US health insurance companies have a track record of passing on such savings to consumers? That has not been my impression as an outside observer.

Ostensibly, the Affordable Care Act was supposed to reduce the average family's premiums by $2,500 a year. When that didn't happen, the story changed to that number being how much more premiums would have risen. Insurance premiums have only gone up as far as I can remember, though there's a ton of variables at play here. Inflation is an obvious one, plus continual introduction of more and more costly treatments- biol…

The individual mandate part of the ACA was the part designed to reduce premiums. You need healthy participants in any health insurance scheme to subsidize unhealthy people.

That was eliminated by a Republican bill, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.

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Post by ipaddr »

simianwords wrote: post #101
ipaddr wrote: post #99

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LLM give false information often. The ability for you to catch incorrect facts is limited by your knowledge and ability and desire to do independent research. LLMs are accurate with everything you don't know but are factually incorrect with things you are an expert in is a common comment for a reason.

No they don’t give false information often.

Do you double check every fact or are you relying on yourself being an expert on the topics you ask an llm? If you are an expert on a topic you probably aren't asking ab llm anyhow.

It reminds me of someone who reads a newspaper article about a topic they know and say its most incorrect but then reading the rest of the paper and accepting those articles as fact.

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Post by mythrwy »

simianwords wrote: post #101
ipaddr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM give false information often. The ability for you to catch incorrect facts is limited by your knowledge and ability and desire to do independent research. LLMs are accurate with everything you don't know but are factually incorrect with things you are an expert in is a common comment for a reason.

No they don’t give false information often.

"Often" is relative but they do give false information. Perhaps of greater concern is their confirmation bias.

That being said, I do agree with your general point. These tools are useful for exploring topics and answers, we just need to stay realistic about the current accuracy and bias (eager to agree).

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Post by ziml77 »

simianwords wrote: post #101
ipaddr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM give false information often. The ability for you to catch incorrect facts is limited by your knowledge and ability and desire to do independent research. LLMs are accurate with everything you don't know but are factually incorrect with things you are an expert in is a common comment for a reason.

No they don’t give false information often.

They do. To the point where I'm getting absolutely furious at work at the number of times shit's gotten fucked up and when I ask about how it went wrong the response starts with "ChatGPT said"

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Post by maxerickson »

ipaddr wrote: post #105
maxerickson wrote: post #88

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It's literally everything that people in relatively free markets buy. Microsoft Windows is a great example that people will get really angry about, but like bubble gum also enriches the producer, seller and buyer.

Those are not great examples. Bubble gum puts the buyer in a worse dental health situation. Windows is a monopoly that controls the desktop market and the buyer would have been better off with a richer market with a variety of options. You could have said cigarettes. They provide the same pleasure benefits as gum with unhealthy outcomes for the buyer.

You are making the mistake of asserting that the buyer exactly shares your values.

With Windows, I didn't assert that it was the value maximizing case, merely that it benefits both parties. Which it does, mostly likely to the advantage of the buyers.

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Post by DetectDefect »

simianwords wrote: post #107
DetectDefect wrote: post #94

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That is not the asymmetrical power dynamic described between you and technology.

“Power dynamic” yet another metaphysical concern

Concern for metaphysics is shared by many great thinkers, including Aristotle and Kant, so your unwillingness to even apprehend it is disappointing.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #109
SecretDreams wrote: post #73

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> This happened in a year or two so I can't really blame. The truth machine where you doesn't needed to focus too much on validating answers changed rapidly to slop machine where ironically, your focus is much more important. Very much this for the general public. I view it as borderline* dangerous to anyone looking for confirmation bias.

Yea. Especially with absolutele garbage that is gooogle ai summary, which is just slightly worse than their "AI mode". I never saw anything hallucinate that much. It is much worse that it is included in every search and it have the google "stamp of quality" which was usually mark of well functioning product.

And tiny text at the bottom which shows only after clicking "show more" statement "Al responses may include mistakes" will certainly not fix that.

At least wording should be "is making mistakes" rather vaguely stating that it may occasionally in some cases produce mistake. Mistake can also be perceived as wrongly placed link and not absolutely made up information.

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Post by pgwhalen »

ipaddr wrote: post #99
simianwords wrote: post #76

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You are exaggerating. LLMs simply don’t hallucinate all that often, especially ChatGPT. I really hate comments such as yours because anyone who has used ChatGPT in these contexts would know that it is pretty accurate and safe. People also can generally be trusted to identify good from bad advice. They are smart like that. We should be encouraging thoughtful ChatGPT use instead of showing fake concern at each opportun…

LLM give false information often. The ability for you to catch incorrect facts is limited by your knowledge and ability and desire to do independent research. LLMs are accurate with everything you don't know but are factually incorrect with things you are an expert in is a common comment for a reason.

As I used LLMs more and more for fact type queries, my realization is that while they give false information sometimes, individual humans also give false information sometimes, even purported subject matter experts. It just turns out that you don’t actually need perfectly true information most of the time to get through life.

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Post by tempest_ »

simianwords wrote: post #101
ipaddr wrote: post #99

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LLM give false information often. The ability for you to catch incorrect facts is limited by your knowledge and ability and desire to do independent research. LLMs are accurate with everything you don't know but are factually incorrect with things you are an expert in is a common comment for a reason.

No they don’t give false information often.

I have them make up stuff constantly for smaller rust libraries that are newish or dont get a lot of use.
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