Live data from Hacker News

Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

oregonlive.com

111–120 of 134 posts

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#111
post #91

[flagged]

Why would you want to? Sounds like a bunch of work.

The leaves get done faster because the right tool doesn’t have to be charged every 5-10 minutes.

Factor the penalty cost as a matter of maintenance, maybe even find ways to defray it to financial background noise.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re much louder than other common lawn equipment. People also tend to use them more frequently. Most of my neighbors will only run a lawnmower once a week or every 2 weeks. But they’ll be out there every day with a leaf blower during parts of the year.

Agreed, but I'm comparing them to the other stuff that is always going on. During the week you can always hear: roofing nailguns, wood chipper, backup beeper, & someone playing music.

That depends on where you’re at. I live in a neighborhood with 2-5 acre lots. I can’t hear any of those things unless my immediate neighbors are doing them, which they rarely are.

I can hear leaf blowers constantly though because you can hear them in a quarter mile radius.

Also local ordinances in most places ban loud noises without a permit. But lawn maintenance equipment is a specific exception.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have the same problem where I live in the US. When I get some free time I'm going to lobby our state congress to have the sale of them banned, because it's the only way to get people to stop installing them. There is a law against driving them but it's impossible to enforce because there's no means of measuring the sound and associating it with the vehicle quickly enough to enforce it. I'd love to have an ALPR sys…

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a60583398/nyc-noise-camera... NYC installed these. Turns out with a city noise limit of 76 and ticketing those in excess of 84dBa, that you’ll ticket certain street ‘legal’ cars whose noise levels can reach into the 90s (!) if driven improperly in-city. Always glad to see technology progressing; I hope it spreads elsewhere.

[flagged]

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#114
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a60583398/nyc-noise-camera... NYC installed these. Turns out with a city noise limit of 76 and ticketing those in excess of 84dBa, that you’ll ticket certain street ‘legal’ cars whose noise levels can reach into the 90s (!) if driven improperly in-city. Always glad to see technology progressing; I hope it spreads elsewhere.

[flagged]

My Prius isn't boring the way I drive it honey.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I think that gas powered gardening and construction equipment is incredibly loud and annoying," Hence the ban.

There is another issue. The 2-stroke gas engines in backpack leaf blowers emit very toxic exhaust. Much worse than a 4-stroke. The landscapers are breathing that in all day.

Worth also mentioning leaf blowers are terrible for air quality because they blow a lot of dust in the air.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have the same problem where I live in the US. When I get some free time I'm going to lobby our state congress to have the sale of them banned, because it's the only way to get people to stop installing them. There is a law against driving them but it's impossible to enforce because there's no means of measuring the sound and associating it with the vehicle quickly enough to enforce it. I'd love to have an ALPR sys…

This is such a bad idea I don't know if you're serious, or if you're satirizing these kinds of people or an accelerationist looking to burn down the credibility of your state legislature. The right thing to do is to ban their use on a local level pursuant to some specific criteria is one thing (as many municipalities do, and Portland took a step further by doing categorically city wide). To ban their sale (but not us…

Not to mention that these are often DIY mod jobs, so banning the sale of what? Generic car parts? Steel tubing? Welders?

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#117
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find interesting about this ban: probably mostly makes sense in the for city for low workloads however the electric blowers (even the good ones that I am sure the city isn't paying for) are underpowered for real work leaf workloads. They operate as a midlevel gas powered blower. As someone who is on board with electrify as much as possible - I still see where there are limitations and chokepoints. Though for n…

Leaf blowers with EC motors and backpack battery packs perform just as well as the gas versions.

Except that they require keeping lots of expensive extra batteries on hand—batteries with a limited lifespan—driving up overall operating costs. This is basically just a stealth tax on the already not very profitable landscaping industry.

Prices for landscaping services are already getting out of hand, at least in my area. This will make things worse.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#118
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upfront not cheap, but long term they are not paying for gas and so it pays for itself. (a contractor will rig a dozen chargers onto the trailer and plug that in when they get home each night)

I doubt they are as serviceable as the stihl equipment they’ve been used to working with for years now. There is a reason why commercial stihl equipment in particular is practically standard issue among landscapers.

Stihl makes battery operated equipment, including backpacks that can go all day. For the largest chainsaws gas is more powerful, but for most uses electric is just as powerful.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#119
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to? Sounds like a bunch of work.

The leaves get done faster because the right tool doesn’t have to be charged every 5-10 minutes. Factor the penalty cost as a matter of maintenance, maybe even find ways to defray it to financial background noise.

I just let my leaves sit on the lawn most of the year before having them raked into a big pile. It's better for everybody.

Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaf blowers with EC motors and backpack battery packs perform just as well as the gas versions.

Except that they require keeping lots of expensive extra batteries on hand—batteries with a limited lifespan—driving up overall operating costs. This is basically just a stealth tax on the already not very profitable landscaping industry. Prices for landscaping services are already getting out of hand, at least in my area. This will make things worse.

The more you have, the more you have to suffer from.
Post reply on HN