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AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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People rent things they can’t afford to own.

You could never afford a hyperscaler size data center. You could always just buy a server and stick it into Colo. it’s just not totally the same thing

I can't afford the ram and storage in the server anymore though. So it kinda is the same thing.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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Can we please not kid ourselves with thoughts about how this being good from certain perspectives, when the development is _clearly_ bad for consumers?

Done charitably, I think the mainframe model of shared compute does meet most person's needs where they don't need to care about latency. It would allow us to take advantage of economies of scale. The problem, imo, is that no one has an incentive to do this as a service , so it would turn into rent-seeking.

Sure, a shared model does make sense in many ways. We could share within a family, neighbour cooperatives, and similar scales. With the users co-owning the means of processing.

But the current model is that we all rent from organisations that use their position of power to restrict and dictate what we can do with those machines.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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- GPU prices rising - RAM prices rising - hard drive prices rising Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services? ‘You don't need storage space, use our cloud subscription’ ‘You don’t need processing power, stream your games through our subscription service.’ Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games…

>home computers are replaced by thin clients Ah, but that's the genius of this circuit around the tech cycle. You need a "thick client" to access those subscription services, as running the (web) interface requires shameful amounts of RAM and CPU resources.

Not if the browser rendering is done in the cloud. All you're looking at is a screen on a server somewhere, not actually the one on your phone.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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A few months ago, there was a lot of news lambasting tech companies for extending the depreciation lifespan of GPUs from ~3 years to ~5 years. Do these price hikes suggest a longer lifespan is probably the right way to see how long these GPUs will be valuable?

It mainly depends on how much NVIDIA is overselling the improvements.

With adding RL functions, separating prefill and decode chips, nvfp4 and lots of other architectural changes efficiency of the most valuable tasks goes up as long as the algorithms don't change significantly.

Everything else can just stay on older chips.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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- GPU prices rising - RAM prices rising - hard drive prices rising Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services? ‘You don't need storage space, use our cloud subscription’ ‘You don’t need processing power, stream your games through our subscription service.’ Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games…

> Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services?

It's the thin/thick client cycle, I've already been through it 1.5 times and I'm not that old.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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If capitalism prices me out of owning property, then I've not much use for it.

If communism you wouldn’t own anything?

This is not the case, has been corrected a million times by millions of people, and, frankly, if it was about anything else would not be considered appropriate on HN as a comment.

We can do better than play out the same conversations also happening in middle school cafeterias. It helps everyone and could even reinforce your opposing views on the matter. You do your entire ideological position a disservice just doing this old hat!

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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You tell me how to automatically sync photos across iOS+mac devices using non-Apple services. I'll wait. (hint: it's a monopoly, you can't use other services). Yeah, I know you can do a manual backup to e.g. Google Photos. It's not the same as seamless bidirectional sync.

OneDrive supports automatic syncing of photos from iOS to the Mac.

Will it actually do it in the background on iOS though? It's been years since I had an iPhone, but basically you had to keep the phone awake to keep the sync moving for any application that wasn't Apple's.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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- GPU prices rising - RAM prices rising - hard drive prices rising Are we looking at a future where home computers are replaced by thin clients and all the power lies in subscription services? ‘You don't need storage space, use our cloud subscription’ ‘You don’t need processing power, stream your games through our subscription service.’ Game publishers have already publicly floated the idea of not selling their games…

It’s possible. Either way, many people literally sleep in a monthly subscription model — rent.

It's very cultural though, in eastern Europe you often have 80/90% of people living in a home they own.

Re: AWS raises GPU prices 15% on a Saturday, hopes you weren't paying attention

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I don't know how everyone arrives at that conclusion when the cost of the subscription services is also going up (as evidenced by the very article we're talking about). People who are renting are feeling this immediately, whereas people who bought their computers can wait the price hikes out for a couple years before they really need an upgrade.

Difference is that if subscription goes up from $10 to $15, that doesn't seem to bad. But if you want to purchase a new computer, and the price goes from $1000 to $1500, then that's a pretty big deal. (Though in reality, the price of said computer would probably go up even more, minimum double. RAM prices are already up 6-8 fold from summer)

But if you finance the computer (not hard to get 0% financing on consumer electronics), the price goes from $41 a month to $62 a month. It’s the same difference.

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You tell me how to automatically sync photos across iOS+mac devices using non-Apple services. I'll wait. (hint: it's a monopoly, you can't use other services). Yeah, I know you can do a manual backup to e.g. Google Photos. It's not the same as seamless bidirectional sync.

OneDrive supports automatic syncing of photos from iOS to the Mac.

And it's the software I hate the most on my mac
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