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Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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I have a tab on sublimetext that has been opened since the pandemic and I think it's safe to share my idea since I'm not gonna do it. *4KB webpage files* So a website where each page does not exceed 4KB. This includes whatever styling and navigation needed. Surprisingly you can share a lot of information even with such constraints. Bare bone html is surprisingly compact and the browser already does a whole lot of the…

You should aim for the size of a single network packet instead

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me in Firefox it only loads the article's HTML (50-70kb) and the favicon (7kb). Are you sure it isn't some addon you have?

It could be the cookie banner appearing.

It is, the content loads first, then the js for the cookie banner, then the favicon. If the js fails to load (I blocked the request as a test) the page loads just fine, it isn't blocked by that.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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For https://cartes.app, I'm planning to code an extremely light version of the map tiles. Based on initial network speed, decide to load this style first, that just lets the user see the streets and and important places. Then load the rest.

This initial map style would be the equivalent of a "text-only" website.

Blocked by Vercel's turbopack bundle analyzer's bugs though, because before optimizing the tiles, I need to optimize the JS that loads the tiles.

I haven't figured a way to load a Maplibre map server side, so the JS must be ready before the map starts to get loaded.

https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/86731

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Several news sites offer text only versions. https://lite.cnn.com/ https://text.npr.org/ https://wttr.in/ More listed at https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites It’d be great if there was some standard that allowed these to be easily found, and supported on the local news sites.

I miss RSS.

And Javascript free web...

IMO, we need a RSS optimized browser that would also block Javascript before user interaction (or even more).

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

#115

Several news sites offer text only versions. https://lite.cnn.com/ https://text.npr.org/ https://wttr.in/ More listed at https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites It’d be great if there was some standard that allowed these to be easily found, and supported on the local news sites.

Thanks for sharing, i almost was not sure if the last part was sarcasm. Html itself was the standard, then when it got bloated we got rss. This seems like it’s not a problem of a lack of standards. It’s the company choosing not to promote it.

It is more to do with the fact that vast majority of people aren't going to bother subscribing to an RSS feed. I am on a freelancer slack group that supposed to have a RSS feed for jobs. The feed is often broken for weeks because most people don't use it.

Even when it isn't broken the display output is broken in Thunderbird because the dev isn't going to bother checking Thunderbird as many people don't use email clients like that anymore and instead use webmail.

I never have used RSS that much as normally if I want to check for new things on a site, I will just go to the site and look myself.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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post #104

Vaguely related anecdotes: - I got caught in the mountains for a few days due to landslides in Nepal. The only available information was relayed by phone between locals. People had no idea of what was going on and their vacation ended on the day the road reopened. It caused a pile up of cars where the road had slid off a few days prior. In some parts, rocks still fell from the cliffs above. We flagged a passing car a…

Why does Ukraine trust Telegram so much? Seems they share intelligence-worth stuff there.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for sharing, i almost was not sure if the last part was sarcasm. Html itself was the standard, then when it got bloated we got rss. This seems like it’s not a problem of a lack of standards. It’s the company choosing not to promote it.

I suppose I meant more of a best practice - if every news site could be found at the subdomain of lite.XYZ.com, or perhaps some way for the browser to request specifically no images or styles, it’d be easier for the end user to find. RSS is a good point that I didn’t consider. Although it tends to be a summary and hyperlink to the main site.

Ideally IMO this would be accept headers. You're asking for the same semantic content but a different format. I'm not sure if there's a nice way of specifying html but in a minimal sense (we do quality with images, perhaps linked), however these could mostly be text/plain or text/markdown (and it'd be nice if that was then formatted properly by the browser).

This often makes a really nice API if you can do other formats too - the main page of cnn could respond to rss accept headers and give me a feed for example.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose I meant more of a best practice - if every news site could be found at the subdomain of lite.XYZ.com, or perhaps some way for the browser to request specifically no images or styles, it’d be easier for the end user to find. RSS is a good point that I didn’t consider. Although it tends to be a summary and hyperlink to the main site.

It’s too bad that WML from WAP is not used anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Markup_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Application_Protocol WML pages had mostly text and hyperlinks from what I remember and even though it supported images too I think most such basic pages would be readable even if you turned image loading off.

We could use markdown.

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Several news sites offer text only versions. https://lite.cnn.com/ https://text.npr.org/ https://wttr.in/ More listed at https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites It’d be great if there was some standard that allowed these to be easily found, and supported on the local news sites.

Google also used to have a go app which they deprecated later on, while now i think about it what is the use of having a go app, if the websites which are shown in search results are not optimised for slower networks.

DuckDuckGo has a js-free version of their website at https://html.duckduckgo.com/

Re: During Helene, I just wanted a plain text website

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Several news sites offer text only versions. https://lite.cnn.com/ https://text.npr.org/ https://wttr.in/ More listed at https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites It’d be great if there was some standard that allowed these to be easily found, and supported on the local news sites.

> https://wttr.in/ didnt load for me

Me neither.
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