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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by viraptor »

godelski wrote: post #101
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

> I got my own domain for email Doesn't this make migrating easier? Since you are just changing where it directs to? Edit: s/mining/migrating

Mining?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by saubeidl »

tormeh wrote: post #110

What's this person's phone OS? This seems somewhat overlooked here. To me, the mobile OS is the centerpiece of any ecosystem. That leaves only two options.

Strictly speaking, that's not quite true. There's non big-tech Android distros like Graphene and /e/.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by godelski »

viraptor wrote: post #111
godelski wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I got my own domain for email Doesn't this make migrating easier? Since you are just changing where it directs to? Edit: s/mining/migrating

Mining?

lol thanks for the catch. Meant migrating

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by LtdJorge »

lostlogin wrote: post #54
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #2

> Blogging, Newsletter & Co.: Well, as you can see, I’m writing on Substack. There are no alternatives except to host it entirely yourself, but that doesn’t make sense to me right now. This is wrong. There are loads of alternatives, which I can't remember at the moment. AlternativeTo.net lists Hyvor Blogs ( https://blogs.hyvor.com/ ), which isn't one of the ones I was familiar with and cannot vouch for, but serves as…

You probably know but Substacks’ free speech thing is a huge turn off. That’s how you end up sending push notifications for your latest Nazi content. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/substacks-nazi-p... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/substack-e...

Unfortunate as that notification error might be, you cannot call free speech free if you only allow if for some opinions.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

allan_s wrote: post #108
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

I also agree on "for personal things we don't need SaaS" and I would say do we even needs self hosted in the sense of a central server. By that I mean, could we have like for firefox , heavy clients but with client to client sync. The goal is to not need to have a always online machine while still solving the "i prefer if my emails are copied both on my laptop and my phones" . Especially as nearly all my devices are…

Perhaps you might like syncthing?

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by 63stack »

ArnoVW wrote: post #90
throw-12-16 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people view their personal emails being slurped up by a Google AI model as a pretty big negative.

If you pay for Workspace (like he says he does) your data is your own, just like for any SaaS product.

I think it's reasonable to doubt this, and/or wonder how long until they decide to change this, and/or make exceptions like "to make your search experience better, Gemini now indexes your metadata (but only metadata so that's okay)"

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by boudin »

ArnoVW wrote: post #90
throw-12-16 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people view their personal emails being slurped up by a Google AI model as a pretty big negative.

If you pay for Workspace (like he says he does) your data is your own, just like for any SaaS product.

Not really though. The data is also Google's and being in the US it's also accessible to other entities.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by littlecranky67 »

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience.

M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and do the backup. I was redirected from Docs pages to the M365 dashboard, M365 Exchange dashboard, Security dashboard and whatnot. I had to turn on 2FA which only worked afer enabling some hidden "Security defaults" until I finally could enable IMAP login, and then took several AI assisted attempt to get the server and credential details.

When I cancelled my subscription MS asks you to give a reason, and the first bullet point is "This product is too complicated to manage" - so they even know about the mess they created.

For now, Proton replaced my M365 subscription, bitwarden, and Kagi (I use protons LUMO AI, which uses different models in the backend and gives you unlimited requests). I didn't have a VPN plan before, now it is also included. The value proposition of Proton is unbeatable in itself, the privacy on top is just the icing on the cake.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by lightandlight »

allan_s wrote: post #108
kavouras wrote: post #10

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm…

I also agree on "for personal things we don't need SaaS" and I would say do we even needs self hosted in the sense of a central server. By that I mean, could we have like for firefox , heavy clients but with client to client sync. The goal is to not need to have a always online machine while still solving the "i prefer if my emails are copied both on my laptop and my phones" . Especially as nearly all my devices are…

This year I moved off LastPass, and started using [Syncthing](https://syncthing.net/) to sync my [KeepassXC](https://keepassxc.org/). It works pretty well, but doesn't have any automatic conflict resolution (I've been working on [something](https://github.com/LightAndLight/syncthing-merge) for this).

Next up I'm moving my TODOs off Todoist to something local-first, and plugging that into my Syncthing setup.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by airspresso »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #39
drob518 wrote: post #11

I have fully bought into Apple’s ecosystem. It’s a walled garden but it’s a pretty nice walled garden, and of all the big tech companies, they are better about privacy (not perfect, but better) than most. I avoid Google like the plague and only use it when I have to. When you’re interacting with Google, everything you do is going into a log somewhere to be monetized.

> When you’re interacting with Google, everything you do is going into a log somewhere to be monetized. I've got a bridge to sell you if you think Apple isn't doing the exact same thing. What do you think they are doing with all their focus on their ad business?

Apple has a solid hardware business and massive profits from their App Store tax, they are not dependent on ad business in the way Google is. Very different incentives.
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