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Re: Steve wants us to make the Macintosh boot faster

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Post by seec » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 1:44 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #109

pear01 wrote: post #64

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These critiques are so tiresome. Like he forced people to buy macs or something. You're not the audience. For the average consumer the fact they don't even have to think about unscrewing something is a major part of the appeal. The walled garden is a plus for them not a negative. And then ending with the sanctimonious line about selling. Like you eat off of selling nothing. Go screw in whatever you like just understa…

I get it. Lots of people fall for design over usefulness. Not very technical, so a mac is enough. but lets never fool ourselves into thinking they are more useful, more efficient or flexible. That's tiresome, and it's repeated endlessly as well. People buy all sorts of things that are not very good. Audience is an excuse; salesmanship is not about selling what the customer needs. I'm no newb, just ranting about macs.…

I started on Macs and I tend to agree.

They have some good things on the hardware side but you have pay a lot for it, and it's not just about the money.

Re: Steve wants us to make the Macintosh boot faster

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Post by seec » Tue, Dec 30, 2025, 1:51 PM UTC

thomassmith65 wrote: post #44

cogman10 wrote: post #2

If there's one thing that I think was revolutionary about Jobs, it was his obsession with quality and user experience. You simply don't find that quality in a lot of tech CEOs. Jobs was willing to burn a load of developer time doing performance tuning. Most other CEOs then and today had an attitude that was more along the line of "We'll just buy more/faster hardware. It's a waste of time to make things faster". A lot…

Absolutely, and Cook-era Macs remind me of that frequently. For example, my last Mac was a Cook-era machine with two third-party displays. Its normal boot process is a visual atrocity: the screens repeatedly blank off and on, the progress bar jumps arbitrarily to new positions and dimensions on the screen, the log-in window animation has drawing quirks... ...when I watch this orgy of complacent design, I often dream…

And sometimes it randomly scramble the output for no good reason.

I think their HMDI implementation completly suck as well, I have had to get an USB-C adaptor to make it work properly.

Macs with external displays don't make a lot of sense, it basically against their initial idea about computer (standalone, with everything needed built-in). They don't even have chips that get very hot, it makes zero sense.

Re: Steve wants us to make the Macintosh boot faster

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Post by hbogert » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 12:35 PM UTC

array_key_first wrote: post #101

chihuahua wrote: post #82

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How can MacOS possibly sleep/wake any faster than Windows? My Lenovo X1C wakes up so quickly that the limiting factor is how fast I can enter my PIN on the keyboard. Well below 1 second, maybe 0.5 seconds. Going to sleep is the same, I'm not going to measure it but it feels like it's about 0.3 seconds.

Yes, provided it's not dead because it didn't actually sleep or you have to boot it up because it decided to shut itself down at some point (windows update?) Sleep on windows is a hot mess, I've never had an experience I had any amount of confidence in.

It's become unreliable under linux as well. It used to work fine. The whole UEFI including the new si0x or whatever that word is again destroyed a perfectly fine experience all because it seemed like a good idea by microsoft.