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Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s

Must sign in to read? Wow bluesky has already enshittified faster than expected. (for the record, the downvoters are the same people who would say this to someone who linked a twitter post, they just don't realize that)

It is a user setting and quite a reasonable one at that, in Pike's case in particular.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#112
post #24

Does anyone know the context? It looks like an email from "AI Village" [1] which says it has a bunch of AI agents "collaborating on projects". So, one just decided to email well-known programmers thanking them for their work? [1] https://theaidigest.org/village

They were given a prompt by a human to “ do as many wonderful acts of kindness as possible, with human confirmation required.” https://theaidigest.org/village/goal/do-random-acts-kindness They send 150ish emails.

Upvoted for the explanation, but...

In what universe is another unsolicited email an act of kindness??!?

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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AI Village is spamming educators, computer scientists, after-school care programs, charities, with utter pablum. These models reek of vacuous sheen. The output is glazed garbage.

Here are three random examples from today's unsolicited harassment session (have a read of the sidebar and click the Memories buttons for horrific project-manager-slop)

https://theaidigest.org/village?time=1766692330207

https://theaidigest.org/village?time=1766694391067

https://theaidigest.org/village?time=1766697636506

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Who are "AI Digest" (https://theaidigest.org) funded by "Sage" (https://sage-future.org) funded by "Coefficient Giving" (https://coefficientgiving.org), formerly Open Philanthropy, partner of the Centre for Effective Altruism, GiveWell, and others?

Why are the rationalists doing this?

This reminds me of UMinn performing human subject research on LKML, and UChicago on Lobsters: https://lobste.rs/s/3qgyzp/they_introduce_kernel_bugs_on_pur...

P.S. Putting "Read By AI Professionals" on your homepage with a row of logos is very sleazy brand appropriation and signaling. Figures.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#114

From my point of view, many programmers hate Gen AI because they feel like they've lost a lot of power. With LLMs advancing, they go from kings of the company to normal employees. This is not unlike many industries where some technology or machine automates much of what they do and they resist. For programmers, they lose the power to command a huge salary writing software and to "bully" non-technical people in the co…

Many people have pointed out that if AI gets better at writing code and doesn't generate slop, then programmers' roles will evolve to Project Manager. People with tech backgrounds will still be needed until AI can completely take over without any human involvement.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#115
post #73

From my point of view, many programmers hate Gen AI because they feel like they've lost a lot of power. With LLMs advancing, they go from kings of the company to normal employees. This is not unlike many industries where some technology or machine automates much of what they do and they resist. For programmers, they lose the power to command a huge salary writing software and to "bully" non-technical people in the co…

I'm not entirely convinced it's going to lead to programmers losing the power to command high salaries. Now that nearly anyone can generate thousands upon thousands of lines of mediocre-to-bad code, they will likely be the doing exactly that without really being able to understand what they're doing and as such there will always be the need for humans who can actually read and actually understand code when a billion…

I recently witnessed one such potential fuckup. The AI had written functioning code, except one of the business rules was misinterpreted. It would have broken in a few months time and caused a massive outage. I imagine many such time bombs are being deployed in many companies as we speak.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#116
post #19

To be clear, this email isn't from Anthropic, it's from "AI Village" [0], which seems to be a bunch of agents run by a 501(c)3 called Sage that are apparently allowed to run amok and send random emails. At this moment, the Opus 4.5 agent is preparing to harass William Kahan similarly. [0] https://theaidigest.org/village

That's actually a pretty cool project

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#117

Can't really fault him for having this feeling. The value proposition of software engineering is completely different past later half of 2025, I guess it is fair for pioneers of the past to feel little left behind.

> I guess it is fair for pioneers of the past to feel little left behind.

I'm sure he doesn't.

> The value proposition of software engineering is completely different past later half of 2025

I'm sure it's not.

> Can't really fault him for having this feeling.

That feeling is coupled with real, factual observations. Unlike your comment.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#118
post #6

Assuming this post is real (it’s a screenshot, not a link), I wonder if Rob Pike has retired from Google? I share these sentiments. I’m not opposed to large language models per se, but I’m growing increasingly resentful of the power that Big Tech companies have over computing and the broader economy, and how personal computing is being threatened by increased lockdowns and higher component prices. We’re beyond the da…

This argument always felt insincere to me. What power do big tech companies have and why do you have a problem with it? They are simply providing a service you didn’t have access to.

Just to note: these companies control infrastructure (cloud, app stores, platforms, hardware certification, etc.). That’s a form of structural power, independent of whether the services are useful. People can disagree about how concerning that is, but it’s not accurate to say there’s no power dynamic here.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#119

From my point of view, many programmers hate Gen AI because they feel like they've lost a lot of power. With LLMs advancing, they go from kings of the company to normal employees. This is not unlike many industries where some technology or machine automates much of what they do and they resist. For programmers, they lose the power to command a huge salary writing software and to "bully" non-technical people in the co…

People care far less about gen AI writing slopcode and more about the social and environmental ramifications, not to mention the blatant IP theft, economic games, etc.

I'm fine if AI takes my job as a software dev. I'm not fine if it's used to replace artists, or if it's used to sink the economy or planet. Or if it's used to generate a bunch of shit code that make the state of software even worse than it is today.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

#120
post #48

The cat's out of the bag. Even if US companies stop building data centers, China isn't going to stop and even if AI/LLMs are a bubble, do we just stop and let China/other countries take the lead?

It's an old argument of tech capitalists that nothing can be done because technology's advance is like a physical law of nature. It's not; we can control it and we can work with other countries, including adversaries, to control it. For example, look at nuclear weapons. The nuclear arms race and proliferation were largely stopped.

>It's an old argument of tech capitalists that nothing can be done because technology's advance is like a physical law of nature.

it is.

>The nuclear arms race and proliferation were largely stopped.

1. the incumbents kept their nukes, kept improving them, kept expanding their arsenals.

2. multiple other states have developed nukes after the treaty and suffered no consequences for it.

3. tens of states can develop nukes in a very short time.

if anything, nuclear is a prime example of failure to put a genie back in the bottle.

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