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Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Post by bdangubic »

exasperaited wrote: post #93
bdangubic wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as useful as it was before this administration when big tech was sucking up to whomever was running the country (e.g. “macho man” Zuck was getting ready to tattoo DEI on his forehead couple of years ago) or just now it’ll be magically useful?

You miss my point. This is a list of people engaging in something flat-out corrupt . The ballroom is an inherently corrupt project. It will prove to be simple corruption.

whats the punishment for corruption (especially when you have 100’s of billions of dollars) I wonder…

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Post by SkyPuncher »

impulser_ wrote: post #97

Are they buying them to try and slow down open source models and protect the massive amounts of money they make from OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta ect? It quite obvious that open source models are catching up to closed source models very fast they about 3-4 months behind right now, and yeah they are trained on Nvidia chips, but as the open source models become more usable, and closer to closed source models they will eat i…

They need to vertically integrate the entire stack or they die. All of the big players are already making plans for their own chips/hardware. They see everyone else competing for the exact same vendor’s chips and need to diversify.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

impulser_ wrote: post #97

Are they buying them to try and slow down open source models and protect the massive amounts of money they make from OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta ect? It quite obvious that open source models are catching up to closed source models very fast they about 3-4 months behind right now, and yeah they are trained on Nvidia chips, but as the open source models become more usable, and closer to closed source models they will eat i…

Shy of an algo breakthrough, open source isn't going to catch up with SOTA, their main trick for model improvement is distilling the SOTA models. That's why they they have perpetually been "right behind".

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Post by yousif_123123 »

Not good. This shouldn't be allowed. What would be better is if groq and cerebras combined, and maybe other companies invested in them to help them scale. Why would the major cloud providers not lobby against this?

Usually antitrust is for consumers, but here I think companies like Microsoft and AWS would be the biggest beneficiaries of having more AI chip competition.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Post by moffkalast »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #78
nusl wrote: post #32

Legit feels like Nvidia just buying out competition to maintain their position and power in the industry. I sincerely hope they fall flat on their face.

which is exactly what a business should do. it's not like Nvidia doesn't invest a ton into R&D, but hey, they have the cash, why not use it? like a good business.

In a normal world, this is where Nvidia gets trust busted. But that's long behind us now.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Post by monster_truck »

groq was targeting a part of the stack where cuda was weakest: guaranteed inference time at a lower cost per token at scale. This was in response to more than just goog's tpus, they were also one of the few realistic alternative paths oai had with those wafers.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Post by [deleted] »

why-o-why wrote: post #90

Can't wait for the abuse of the word Grok to die (bet none of these techbros even read the book). There was even an AI company that made a product called "Sophon". Talk about an overinflated sense of self-worth. I like the Wright Brothers, they called the first plain, "Flyer".

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Post by Daviey »

I got curious about how many wheelbarrows of cash $20bn actually is.

Two ways to think about it: weight vs volume.

By weight (assuming all $100 bills):

$20,000,000,000 / $100 = 200,000,000 bills

Each bill is roughly 1g, so total mass is ~200,000 kg

A typical builder’s wheelbarrow can take about 100 kg before it becomes unmanageable

200,000 kg total / 100 kg per wheelbarrow ≈ 2,000 wheelbarrows (weight limit)

By volume:

A $100 bill is ~6.14" × 2.61" × 0.11 mm, which comes out to about 102 cm³ per bill

200,000,000 bills × 102 cm³ ≈ 20,400 m³ of cash

A standard wheelbarrow holds around 0.08 m³ (80 litres)

20,400 m³ total / 0.08 m³ per wheelbarrow ≈ 255,000 wheelbarrows (volume limit)

So,

About 2,000 wheelbarrows if you only care about weight

About 255,000 wheelbarrows if you actually have to fit the cash in

So the limiting factor isn’t how heavy the money is; it’s that the physical volume of the cash is absurd. At this scale, $20bn in $100s is effectively a warehouse, not a stack.

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