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Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by kevin061 »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #31
nospice wrote: post #17

If you're on the internet long enough, I think you learn that openness has plenty of downsides. You indirectly interact with tens of thousands of people and in that set, there will be people who don't wish you well, sometimes for reasons you can't even grasp. In the 1990s, I used to put my phone number in my .signature file. I've come to regret that. In the 2000s, I participated in relatively large online forums unde…

I've been posing online with my real name since the 90's because if forces me to self sensor. I don't say things on the internet that I wouldn't say to people in the real world who know where I live. I think the internet would be a lot nicer place if people were held accountable for the things they say and do.

Unfortunately that does not really work for people who live in countries governed by oppressive regimes, or people who are in any way different (immigrant, LGBT, etc), and in fact, even posting with the best of intentions will have people wanting you dead. Ask me how I know.

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by metalman »

Public is that which happens once, in real time,and most importantly derives it's content from spontainious colaberations of humans.Speaking and acting to the moment. Everything else, the all of all, is a spin off from this.

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by baud147258 »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #108
RiverCrochet wrote: post #97

> I will often find a blog post on Hacker News that really resonates. And when I go to check the rest of the site there’s three other posts. And I think: I wish you’d write more! I really miss that period in the 90's and early 2000's when: - people were doing interesting things online and tending to those spaces regularly, - Google actually worked and it was easy to find those things, - Myspace/Facebook wasn't a thin…

Forums need to make a comeback. Kids these days not only don't know what they are, but have trouble understanding them when explained. I somehow feel like forums could catch on again if there were a shiny enough platform. To that end, can anyone recommend any decent forum engines? Discourse's UI rubs me the wrong way, and it would be nice to avoid PHP/MySQL as dependencies in general.

> can anyone recommend any decent forum engines

I've spent (way too much) a lot of time on forums built using xenoforo, though I'm not sure of what's the stack underneath and what was built-in and what had been added by the operators.

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by saghm »

> I try to apply a rule that if I do something, and don’t write about it—or otherwise generate external-facing evidence of it—it didn’t happen. I have built so many things in the dark, little experiments or software projects or essays that never saw the light of day. I want to put more things out. If it doesn’t merit an entire blog post, then at least a tweet.

I think this might be the crux of a lot of the disagreement that seems to be present with article (which I feel as well admittedly). So much of my life is stuff that isn't around things I've built or written; sometimes I'm just existing without producing, nowadays with my wife, but in the past maybe with a friend, roommate, or just relaxing alone. I'm not the type of person to be greatly concerned with my legacy or whether lots of people remember me after I'm gone as much as whether the people who do happen to remember me from the interactions I had with them have good memories. I don't see any purpose in documenting this sort of thing, and most of the time it would actively worsen the experience to do so. I don't know if this isn't something that would apply to the author's life or if they're just talking about something else specifically and don't intend to imply that it should literally be every moment, but by their own rule, if they spend any time like this, it didn't happen, so I guess it would be hard to tell the difference.

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by tsylba »

> This is one of the best things about writing online: your future friends will seek you out.

Do I live in the same reality as the author? is that really a thing as in "it happens regularly enough to be mentioned as if it was"?

Apart from this I'm so-so about this, like I believe a lot of people from my generation I'm fond of the idea of the internet as it was in the 90s, like a decentralized cyberspace of free spirit thinkers, which slowly diluted itself as decades past and might have been at its peaks during the blog bubble and RSS feeds era (meeh it's arguable). But it seems like that spirit is long gone and we've been compartmentalized, our spaces enclosed like the British Luddites were before us. I'm all for the permacomputing self-hosting ring websites but it seems like a thing mostly done by the cool kids, the Artists, the few that tend to do it for the performative angle more than from their own tropism or the one from the culture (as it was done when it was natural to do so).

I'm not sure we could really go back to that era flavored internet culture without burning the centralized juggernauts to the ground.

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by GFischer »

zarzavat wrote: post #37

It's all very well being more public, until a government decides to make 5 years of social media history an entry condition[0], and moreover imprisons those people who are denied entry instead of simply sending them home on the next flight[1]. I have no problem with this per se, as I have no plans to go to the US this decade, but I do worry about contagion. Perhaps being a public person on the internet is an idea who…

My father lived through the Uruguay dictatorship in the 1970s and avoids all social media whenever possible.

I was an infant at the beginning of democracy, so I haven't taken that much care.

Now, it seems he'll be vindicated once again, I do plan on visiting the USA and I'm hoping my social media won't be an obstacle (fortunately I don't think I have anything, but who knows, maybe I liked a meme or something).

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by GFischer »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #108
RiverCrochet wrote: post #97

> I will often find a blog post on Hacker News that really resonates. And when I go to check the rest of the site there’s three other posts. And I think: I wish you’d write more! I really miss that period in the 90's and early 2000's when: - people were doing interesting things online and tending to those spaces regularly, - Google actually worked and it was easy to find those things, - Myspace/Facebook wasn't a thin…

Forums need to make a comeback. Kids these days not only don't know what they are, but have trouble understanding them when explained. I somehow feel like forums could catch on again if there were a shiny enough platform. To that end, can anyone recommend any decent forum engines? Discourse's UI rubs me the wrong way, and it would be nice to avoid PHP/MySQL as dependencies in general.

Discord feels like this generation's forums (and Reddit).

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by kyboren »

jojomodding wrote: post #86
hellobluelings wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come to Switzerland. The worst country in that regard. Cameras everywhere (lamps etc.). Nobody follows the law. They just make up reasons to ruin your life and everyone has to suffer. There is no privacy, at least in CH.

I live in Switzerland too and can't relate at all.

I have noticed that a few years ago, at least in Zürich, small unobtrusive black enclosures have appeared everywhere on traffic signal/lamp posts along the roads. I can only assume that they contain cameras. But nobody else I've talked to has even noticed them.

Flock ALPR mass surveillance is at least controversial in the US, yet I haven't heard any controversy over the apparent(?) roll-out of ALPR mass surveillance in Switzerland.

I have not spent the effort to dig into what exactly those things are, who owns them, and what their claimed purpose is, but given their recent installation, density, clear view of the roads, and strategic locations (intersections, roadway exits, etc.) an ALPR mass surveillance network is, to me, the most plausible explanation.

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by wredcoll »

lbotos wrote: post #13
wredcoll wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Read GP again. > There are some out there who would love fans of Ruby on Rails to suffer because of its association with DHH. This isn’t about DHH spouting whatever he is spouting. It’s about people trying to convince others to not associate with Rails because of DHH.

No, that's a lie, or at least close enough to one.

People are asking ruby on rails to stop associating with dhh because of his remarks.

That's it.

Or is this one those "free speech but not like that" moments?

Re: I wish people were more public

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Post by wredcoll »

000ooo000 wrote: post #18
wredcoll wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>you should probably be willing to stand by the things you say, or why say them? Don't confuse the online world with the real one.

If you don't think real people use the internet, I dunno man, welcome to the 21st century, there's a lot to catch up on.
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