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Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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voidfunc wrote: post #37
dartharva wrote: post #11

I think it's more the fact that they lied before nomination than the AI usage itself. Any institution is bound to disqualify a candidate if it discovers it was admitted on false grounds. I wonder if the game directors had actually made their case beforehand, they would have perhaps been let to keep the award. That said, the AI restriction itself is hilarious. Almost all games currently being made would have programme…

> That said, the AI restriction itself is hilarious. Almost all games currently being made would have programmers using copilot, would they all be disqualified for it? Where does this arbitrary line start from? AI OK: Code AI Bad: Art, Music. It's a double standard because people don't think of code as creative. They still think of us as monkeys banging on keyboards. Fuck 'em. We can replace artists.

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by SirHumphrey »

hambes wrote: post #4
danielbln wrote: post #2

I bet if they'd only used AI assisted coding would be a complete non-event, but oh no, some inconsequential assets were generated, grab the pitchforks!

Maybe, but that is a different issue. The use of generative AI for art is being rightfully criticised because it steals from artists. Generative AI for source code learns from developers - who mostly publish their source with licenses that allow this. The quality suffers in both cases and I would personally criticise generative AI in source code as well, but the ethical argument is only against profiting from artists…

No, the only difference is that image generators are a much fuller replacement for "artists" than for programmers currently. The use of quotation marks was not meant to be derogatory, I sure many of them are good artists, but what they were mostly commissioned for was not art - it was backgrounds for websites, headers for TOS updates, illustrations for ads... There was a lot more money in this type of work the same way as there is a lot more money in writing react sites, or scripts to integrate active directory logins in to some ancient inventory management system than in developing new elegant algorithms.

But code is complicated, and hallucinations lead to bugs and security vulnerabilities so it's prudent to have programmers check it before submitting to production. An image is an image. It may not be as nice as a human drawn one, but for most cases it doesn't matter anyway.

The AI "stole" or "learned" in both cases. It's just that one side is feeling a lot more financial hardship as the result.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by squigz »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #85
mvdtnz wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally is shipping AI generated content in the product.

I believe in giving someone a reasonable amount of time to correct their mistakes. Yes, it was a terrible mistake to release the game in that state, but I think correcting it within days is sufficient.

It's not a "terrible mistake" to accidentally ship placeholder textures. Let's tone it down just a wee bit, maybe.

Anyway, I don't agree with banning generative AI, but if the award show wants to do so, go ahead. What has caused me to lose any respect for them is that they're doing this for such a silly reason. There's a huge difference between using AI to generate your actual textures and ship those, and.... accidentally shipping placeholder textures.

It really illustrates that this is more ideological than anything.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by watwut »

scrambttn wrote: post #84
AmbroseBierce wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow you do mentally group things efficiently, that much I can say.

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He made apparent analogy. You dont have to be so oversensitive that any mention of feminism and women blows into woke attack in your head.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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blackbrokkoli wrote: post #13

Is anyone else detecting a phase shift in LLM criticism? Of course you could always find opinion pieces, blogs and nerdy forum comments that disliked AI; but it appears to me that hate for AI gen content is now hitting mainstream contexts, normie contexts. Feels like my grandma may soon have an opinion on this. No idea what the implications are or even if this is actually something that's happening, but I think it's…

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by Ray20 »

m-schuetz wrote: post #82

People were against steam engines, tractors, CGI, self-checkouts, and now generative AI. After some initial outrage, it will be tightly integrated into society. Like how LLMs are already widely used to assist in coding.

Or not. Unlike all of the above, AI directly conflicts with the concept of intellectual property, which is backed by a much larger and more influential field.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by m-schuetz »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #57
dartharva wrote: post #11

I think it's more the fact that they lied before nomination than the AI usage itself. Any institution is bound to disqualify a candidate if it discovers it was admitted on false grounds. I wonder if the game directors had actually made their case beforehand, they would have perhaps been let to keep the award. That said, the AI restriction itself is hilarious. Almost all games currently being made would have programme…

> Almost all games currently being made would have programmers using copilot I think that is almost certainly untrue, especially among indie games developers, who are often the most stringent critics of gen ai.

Only when it comes to graphics/art. When it comes to LLMs for code, many people do some amazing mental gymnastics to make it seem like the two are totally different, and one is good while the other is bad.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

krapp wrote: post #103
jokoon wrote: post #100

indie game? with their budget and staff? really? those guys worked in AAA studios and they got a 10 millions budget how "indie" is that?

"indie" is just a marketing term now, it doesn't actually mean anything specific.

Exactly like "AI"!

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by 1gn15 »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #57
dartharva wrote: post #11

I think it's more the fact that they lied before nomination than the AI usage itself. Any institution is bound to disqualify a candidate if it discovers it was admitted on false grounds. I wonder if the game directors had actually made their case beforehand, they would have perhaps been let to keep the award. That said, the AI restriction itself is hilarious. Almost all games currently being made would have programme…

> Almost all games currently being made would have programmers using copilot I think that is almost certainly untrue, especially among indie games developers, who are often the most stringent critics of gen ai.

Are you sure? A survey by the YouTuber Games And AI found that the vast majority of indie game developers are either using, or considering using AI. Like around 90%.
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