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VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by torben-friis »

giamma wrote: post #89
torben-friis wrote: post #11

If anyone is considering moving editors, I was recently in the same boat and I can’t recommend enough lazyvim + the ebook “lazyvim for ambitious developers”. This gets you a fully featured vscode-like baseline (navigation, language integration, integrated terminal, the whole thing). I had tried many times to switch to vim/emacs and the initial barrier to get a workable system always kept me from pushing forward. With…

How about switching from VS Code to VS Codium? Same experience without the microsoft telemetry. I suppose Copilot won't be included due to licensing constraints.

How does the extension model work with MS? I did a similar move to chromium and eventually had to move to firefox when they pulled the plug on ad blockers.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by falcor84 »

mindcrash wrote: post #90
reactordev wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This made me laugh a bit as I remembered people saying “Oh we have Nadella now, things have changed”. Have they? Have they really? Windows Recall. VS Code forcing Copilot. Windows forcing Copilot. Office forcing Copilot. Azure forcing Copilot. GitHub forcing Copilot. Outlook forcing Copilot. Edge forcing Copilot. You folks are insane.

"Just" some Copilot integration (in the form of chat or smart suggestions) is just the start. The next major Windows 11 update coming in 2026 will have full agentic AI with full control over your (your?) PC. And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work (so a lot more e-waste is coming). I fear for the future.

> And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work

Am I right to understand that as people don't upgrade their hardware, they're safe from that, right? Sounds like a plus to me.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by arielcostas »

reactordev wrote: post #105
tashoecraft wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard Github makes more money from copilot than everything else combined. You can think what you want about the strategy, but it's hard to ignore that.

Easy when it’s forced onto every enterprise agreement and enabled by default in every vs code. C’mon man. You’re smarter than this.

But enterprises may negotiate not to use (and pay) Copilot, can't they? Or go with another provider if it's such a big deal. Plus it being enabled by default in every VS Code (I haven't checked this, last I remember you need to sign in with GitHub) gets you on the free tier where you make zero revenue for Microsoft and some expense (not too much, probably).

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by worksonmine »

torben-friis wrote: post #11

If anyone is considering moving editors, I was recently in the same boat and I can’t recommend enough lazyvim + the ebook “lazyvim for ambitious developers”. This gets you a fully featured vscode-like baseline (navigation, language integration, integrated terminal, the whole thing). I had tried many times to switch to vim/emacs and the initial barrier to get a workable system always kept me from pushing forward. With…

I suggest the opposite and not starting with all the plugins and instead try to learn the vim way of doing things. Being too locked in to the old ways could prevent discovering all the great things vim can do.

The examples you mention already exist.

- navigation: plenty of native navigation in neovim, does lazy add anything specific?

- language integration: lsp, requires config sure but git clone isn't much work.

- integrated terminal: just run `:term`

Learning to think in vim means unlearning a lot of old habits. Today I only use fzf.vim, nvim-lspconfig and a theme, not even a plugin manager (I will migrate to the native one that's in nightly when it reaches stable though). Pretty much vanilla Neovim. I'm considering trying nvim-dap to get better debugger support but so far I'm fine with :termdebug for the languages it supports (c/go/rust just works).

When I find something I want vim to do I start with a keybinding, then a function, and maybe if it's complex add a plugin. Adding half of the available plugins just because creates an unnecessary attack vector you now have to keep an eye on.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by tzs »

snarfy wrote: post #63
clever-leap wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple, do not purchase LG TV.

Or their washing machines.

That seems a bit of an overreaction. The top 10 front loading washing machines on Consumer Reports' rating list are 8 LGs followed by a Samsung and another LG.

If you don't want WiFi you can still get a top rated washer. The LG WM3400CW, which is in a 3 way tie for high score, does not have WiFi (or Bluetooth, or any other radio).

Note: Consumer Reports says that it does have WiFi but they are mistaken. It does have LG's "SmartDiagnosis" which lets you view diagnostic data in their app which is probably what confused them. On models with WiFi the app gets the data via the network.

On the 3400 you press some buttons on the washer to tell it to send diagnostics, and then it sends them acoustically similar to the way analog modems sent data. You tell their app to use the mic to listen to that and decode the data.

The WM3470CW, #10 on the Consumer Reports list, also is radio free and uses sound for SmartDiagnosis. Consumer Reports correctly lists this one as not having WiFi.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by worksonmine »

tsimionescu wrote: post #94
torben-friis wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't help you much, as currently I happen to use ruby at work and native debugging is enough - you can drop into an interactive console at a breaking point adding a single line, with no tooling. Here's the chapter on debugging in the book I mentioned if you want to take a look: https://lazyvim-ambitious-devs.phillips.codes/course/chapter...

> I happen to use ruby at work and native debugging is enough - you can drop into an interactive console at a breaking point adding a single line, with no tooling. If you've only ever used this type of debugging, you should really try out a real IDE debugger once. The difference in productivity when you can use your IDE to navigate to, say, the usages of a function and then just press a keyboard shortcut to put a bre…

I have inline debugging with gdb in neovim.

+b/B: add/remove breakpoint

+n/N: step/over

... and so on.

To start it just run :termdebug. If you change the debugger to rr you can even replay.

It's a shame the language support is poor, but I'm sure they'll add DAP support eventually.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by reactordev »

arielcostas wrote: post #113
reactordev wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy when it’s forced onto every enterprise agreement and enabled by default in every vs code. C’mon man. You’re smarter than this.

But enterprises may negotiate not to use (and pay) Copilot, can't they? Or go with another provider if it's such a big deal. Plus it being enabled by default in every VS Code (I haven't checked this, last I remember you need to sign in with GitHub) gets you on the free tier where you make zero revenue for Microsoft and some expense (not too much, probably).

No, no they can’t. Again, it’s a part of the agreement. It’s included and bundled with ANY service you order, like it or not.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by bpavuk »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #101
clever-leap wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple, do not purchase LG TV.

I'm already not buying Samsung devices, I'll run out of choices soon.

why not just use a big ol' monitor with a smart TV box and plain Android TV? or, even better, build a HTPC with Plasma Bigscreen or Bazzite?

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by reactordev »

falcor84 wrote: post #112
mindcrash wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Just" some Copilot integration (in the form of chat or smart suggestions) is just the start. The next major Windows 11 update coming in 2026 will have full agentic AI with full control over your (your?) PC. And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work (so a lot more e-waste is coming). I fear for the future.

> And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work Am I right to understand that as people don't upgrade their hardware, they're safe from that, right? Sounds like a plus to me.

Nope, you go to upgrade, because windows update downloaded it and restarted, and it tells you “Your processor is not supported”.

Why would it be any different than the Windows 7 -> Windows 10 debacle? Disabling entire processor families after it boots into installation and wiped the previous windows.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by torben-friis »

worksonmine wrote: post #114
torben-friis wrote: post #11

If anyone is considering moving editors, I was recently in the same boat and I can’t recommend enough lazyvim + the ebook “lazyvim for ambitious developers”. This gets you a fully featured vscode-like baseline (navigation, language integration, integrated terminal, the whole thing). I had tried many times to switch to vim/emacs and the initial barrier to get a workable system always kept me from pushing forward. With…

I suggest the opposite and not starting with all the plugins and instead try to learn the vim way of doing things. Being too locked in to the old ways could prevent discovering all the great things vim can do. The examples you mention already exist. - navigation: plenty of native navigation in neovim, does lazy add anything specific? - language integration: lsp, requires config sure but git clone isn't much work. - i…

I do get the benefit of not depending on plugins, really. Long term my current config could rot (abandoned projects, moving dependencies, etc), while a simple config is stable. But I'm happy removing dependencies one at a time.

For example, ft toggles a terminal in a bottom split. This is familiar enough that I knew I could rely on it whenever needed.

Could I have used :term and manually set splits each time? or learn tmux? or use ctrl+z and fg to move back and forth ? Sure, but that's extra cognitive load.

Maybe I want to focus first on becoming fluid with regex for search and replace, or improving the flow for running unit tests, or get used to using macros as a replacement for multicursor. There's a lot of gaps to cover, each small enough that it's "just do X" for a veteran, but enough when added up that I would much rather pay the cost gradually.

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