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Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by nickpp »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #100
nickpp wrote: post #82

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I am curious: how else would you fund them? I sometimes donate & follow such cases and cancer treatments are expensive , especially experimental, custom ones. Worse, the rarer and more aggressive the disease - the more expensive the treatment and the slimmer the actual chances.

With Universal Health Insurance as all other developed countries do

Expensive health treatments can easily bankrupt any western government. None of those developed countries can afford to spend their money indiscriminately on them. So instead they turn to waiting lists, death panels and very often saying no but not in your face (since that is politically frowned upon) but thought delays and countless committees and bureaucracy until the patient expires...

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by account42 »

bragh wrote: post #18
kakacik wrote: post #11

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Part of comfy self-excuse for sure. And then burn the money on junk food, legal or illegal drugs or worse.

Why should somebody donate to somebody else's luxuries if they could spend it on their own luxuries? Anyway, yes, direct donation is always better, be it to some random guy down on his luck in the street (unless they have just missed their bus and need ticket money for the next one and so for 3 years in the same bus station) or to some trusted person/group who actually does deliver the stuff to the area. Way too many…

Even "legit" NGOs have a huge overhead.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by hermanzegerman »

nickpp wrote: post #111
hermanzegerman wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Universal Health Insurance as all other developed countries do

Expensive health treatments can easily bankrupt any western government. None of those developed countries can afford to spend their money indiscriminately on them. So instead they turn to waiting lists, death panels and very often saying no but not in your face (since that is politically frowned upon) but thought delays and countless committees and bureaucracy until the patient expires...

I know that's what you hear and read on Fox News and other "News Sources" daily. But here in Germany, there are no "death panels" or long waiting times for cancer treatment.

Also we don't need "pre-auth" and other Bullshit before we start standard treatments.

The real death panels are sitting in your Insurance Companies Offices as seen by the news coverage around United Healthcare et al lately

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by nickpp »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #108
nickpp wrote: post #90

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Capitalism is the reason those treatments exist in the first place. I don't see many cutting-edge cancer treatments coming out of Cuba, North Korea or Venezuela.

Those cutting edge cancer treatments come usually out of universities from publicly funded research. But don't worry your free market friends are killing it right now, for tax reductions https://www.wired.com/story/how-trump-killed-cancer-research...

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by 1718627440 »

jjcob wrote: post #57
throwaw12 wrote: post #34

I have reported these ads to YouTube multiple times, because I tracked down their scam websites, but YouTube didn't delete them anyway. Common pattern they had was: - similar or same domains - same messaging on their website YouTube could have taken action, but it choose not to

I'm still waiting for the tech world to wake up and realise that the online ad machinery and user tracking software that the brightest minds of our generation have been working on are just a way to efficiently connect scammers with their unsuspecting victims.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by 1718627440 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #72
jjcob wrote: post #57

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I'm still waiting for the tech world to wake up and realise that the online ad machinery and user tracking software that the brightest minds of our generation have been working on are just a way to efficiently connect scammers with their unsuspecting victims.

I'm waiting for the non-tech world to wake up and hold companies that act as willing accomplices liable for the crimes they tolerate on their platforms.

> the crimes they tolerate on their platforms.

... the crimes they actually make a lot of money from.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by throwaway198846 »

uxx wrote: post #78

Again some Israeli connection in a scam, search google and browse "fintelegram" you will see the biggest and baddest financial crime actors are all based in israel.

The vast majority of fraud have noting to do with Israel wage theft is enormous everywhere and have nothing to do with Israel, the biggest fraudsters in history (mostly scams on USA investors like Theranos and 2008 crisis) according to quick Google have nothing to do with Israel. The obvious attempts to mafacture a negative image couldn't be more obvious.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by trinix912 »

nickpp wrote: post #104
nxm wrote: post #83

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With 2 month long plus waits for basic scans in countries like Canada

Any system needs a resource allocation algorithm. In capitalism it is easy and transparent: price, with the side effect of aligning society interests with those of the selfish individual. Of course the strange and heavily regulated US health-care system is obviously far far away from a free market. In socialism it's much more random: black markets, lists, lotteries, friends and network of connections. The side effect…

That's the difference between a corrupt and non-corrupt system rather than a capitalist vs socialist one. Nearly all European countries have an at least somewhat socialist healthcare system but in most you don't have to resort to those tactics.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by EdwardDiego »

nickpp wrote: post #111
hermanzegerman wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Universal Health Insurance as all other developed countries do

Expensive health treatments can easily bankrupt any western government. None of those developed countries can afford to spend their money indiscriminately on them. So instead they turn to waiting lists, death panels and very often saying no but not in your face (since that is politically frowned upon) but thought delays and countless committees and bureaucracy until the patient expires...

As soon as you said "death panels" you invalidated your entire point, I'm sorry.
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