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Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by N_Lens »

LPisGood wrote: post #32
throw0101a wrote: post #8

Executive order (EO) count over the last few presidents: * Bush (41): 166 * Clinton (two terms): 364 * Bush (43; two terms): 291 * Obama (two terms): 276 * Trump (45): 220 * Biden: 162 * Trump (47; Source: * https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or... Someone commented that (one of?) the reason that Trump is using EOs so much is probably because is not willing (or able) to actually get deals on in…

I once heard it said that Trump governs like a dictator because he is too weak to govern like a president. He is extremely unpopular and his party holds one of the smallest house majorities ever.

GOP is a party captured by the very wealthy. It’s minority rule because of certain elites’ trillion dollar plans to control all three branches of government and the courts have come to fruition after decades in the works.

After Nixon a lot of lessons were learned, on how to handle scandals and how to ram unpopular policy down America’s throat.

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Post by Animats »

siliconc0w wrote: post #99

An EO is not law - the hard part is going to be to get congress onboard. Trump is losing political steam and AI is widely unpopular. Most of this country feels AI is going take their job, poison their children, and increase energy prices.

Right. Congress has the power to preempt state law in an area related to interstate commerce by legislating comprehensive rules. The executive branch does not have the authority to do that by itself.

This is like Trump's "pardon" of someone serving time for a state crime. It does little if anything.

Quite a number of AI-related bills have been introduced in Congress, but very few have made much progress. Search "AI" on congress.gov.

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Post by andsoitis »

N_Lens wrote: post #108
IncreasePosts wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But humans aren't more productive for the most part. What had made people more productive is, for the most part, mechanization, computerization, and other tech tree improvements. Even though everyone didn't get rich from the industrial revolution, ultimately people led easier lives, more stuff, and less work.

I read that a peasant in the middle ages typically worked less and had much more leisure than a worker in the 21st century.

Peasants in the Middle Ages did hard, agrarian labor, had poor sanitation, high child mortality, and limited horizons. While nobles had wealth and comfort, the era was generally harsh, with most lacking modern amenities and facing short, physically demanding lives.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by abright »

oceanplexian wrote: post #81
TrainedMonkey wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we need a hyper-productive world where someone working a few hours a year generates enough wealth to secure a comfortable lifestyle up there with the best of them. This is naive, productivity increases had decoupled from compensation a long time ago. See https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ for example. AI certainly can create wealth, and in fact already did (hey NVDA), but somehow that did not trickle down. I…

Why then, outside of Norway, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and the UAE (All of which are tiny countries, and at least two of them are Petrostates), does the United States have the world's highest median income with a population of over 342 million people? The typical American is insanely wealthy by global standards.

Sure, the USA is in the top five in terms of median income. They are also tied for first for having the highest cost of living.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-l...

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Post by eastof »

xeonmc wrote: post #12

In a parallel universe, the government in the 20th century signed bills protecting tobacco giants from State regulation to encourage investments furthering the country’s international competitiveness in the tobacco industry.

In a parallel universe tobacco is critical to the national security interest of the state. I feel you and other commenters in this thread are ignoring the fact that the outcome of the next war will likely be decided on the cyber front.

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Post by missingcolours »

siliconc0w wrote: post #99

An EO is not law - the hard part is going to be to get congress onboard. Trump is losing political steam and AI is widely unpopular. Most of this country feels AI is going take their job, poison their children, and increase energy prices.

> Trump is losing political steam and AI is widely unpopular.

It seems extremely popular based on my LinkedIn feed! /s

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by nemo »

gigatree wrote: post #43
LPisGood wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once heard it said that Trump governs like a dictator because he is too weak to govern like a president. He is extremely unpopular and his party holds one of the smallest house majorities ever.

*Extremely unpopular in DC, fwiw

Also a 31% approval rating, unpopular with a large majority of people in the US, fwiw

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by malfist »

missingcolours wrote: post #116
siliconc0w wrote: post #99

An EO is not law - the hard part is going to be to get congress onboard. Trump is losing political steam and AI is widely unpopular. Most of this country feels AI is going take their job, poison their children, and increase energy prices.

> Trump is losing political steam and AI is widely unpopular. It seems extremely popular based on my LinkedIn feed! /s

Good thing LinkedIn is such an authentic representation of the vox populi

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by rudedogg »

oceanplexian wrote: post #79
rubyfan wrote: post #34

Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

> Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value?

Copyright law is another counter-example to your argument. But somehow? that’s no longer a concern if you have enough money. I guess the trick is to steal from literally everyone so that no one entity can claim any measurable portion of the output as damages.

I’ve always thought Copyright should be way shorter than it is, but it’s suspect that we’re having a coming to Jesus moment about IP with all the AI grifting going on.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

oceanplexian wrote: post #79
rubyfan wrote: post #34

Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

I think your take is historically accurate. Although one does wonder how long we'll be able to get away with keeping the pedal to the metal. It might be worth taking a moment to install a steering wheel. Rumor has it there are hazards about.
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