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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by colinstrickland »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #40
mongol wrote: post #5

What is Jolla now? I remember it as startup created by previous Nokia employees that tried to build a Nokia-type of phone based on Maemo? Or do I remember it wrong?

No, you're right. SailfishOS inherits the core of the OS from the old Maemo of Nokia N900 fame (though the UI was built from scratch I believe). I tried it back in the day on my Nexus 4 and it was buttery smooth, even with all its fancy animations and gesture-based navigation, which was way ahead of Android at the time. I always thought SailfishOS would really take off by now, given how advanced and polished it alrea…

The platform always suffered from two big architectural missteps.

1 - the native browser being an old firefox/gecko fork embedded into their own UI framework, giving a poor performance and dated compatibility quirks 2 - the android emulating runtime meant that you get again, dated , poorly performing android apps, that you're driven towards because the browser engine was so poor.

these two mean you basically end up with a sub-standard android handset/UI, and a tiny market for native app development (because everyone made do with android), its a real chicken/egg.

In fairness I've not used it since the sony XPeria days, but it was my daily phone for 3-4 years since the Jolla 1. It was cool being able to emacs and irc natively on the phone, but that was limited in use cases tbh.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by SoftTalker »

dijit wrote: post #93
SoftTalker wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> colour accuracy, frame-rate Absolutely irrelevant for what I do with a phone, and I'd wager that 90% of users would not notice the difference.

Are you really telling me that people wouldn't look at the spec-sheet and state (loudly) that they won't buy a phone because "in 2025 it doesn't even have 120fps"? I don't believe you if that's the case.

I've never looked at the spec sheet when I bought a phone.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by mariusor »

dman wrote: post #91
mariusor wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did offer refunds in the form of vouchers for their shop. I can understand if that's not something everyone is interested in, but it's not nothing. I made use of that successfully.

It wasnt offered to everyone. They did the whole thing by trickling out information based on batches based on when you ordered. And for the record I wasnt shipped a tablet, given a refund or offered a voucher and based on comments at the time I wasnt the only one. It was a total writeoff.

Sorry to hear that. :( I doubt that it's any consolation that they've gotten better over time on not blundering their fund raisers and pre-orders.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by cbolton »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #67
cbolton wrote: post #61

The Linux phone that's more closed than Android, it's a hard sell for me.

Can you explain this a bit more? What is closed about it?

The operating system (Sailfish OS) is a mix of components, some open and some closed. Search for "open source" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS . They have said years ago that it would be open sourced, but as far as I know the Silica UI is still proprietary.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by hxtk »

Telaneo wrote: post #105
nikanj wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

What 5-ish inch screen phone has even been released within the past 5 years? The only ones I can think of are the Unihertz phones, and those don't get a single update after getting shoved out the door, not to mention that they're probably full of Chinese backdoors. I'd buy that exact phone in a heartbeat if it didn't have those problems, and all the other ones I've seen have similar dealbreakers.

iPhone had the 12 and 13 mini, but they didn't sell, so there was no iPhone 14 mini and hasn't been one since. That was a 5.4" display.

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Post by cluckindan »

Telaneo wrote: post #105
nikanj wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

What 5-ish inch screen phone has even been released within the past 5 years? The only ones I can think of are the Unihertz phones, and those don't get a single update after getting shoved out the door, not to mention that they're probably full of Chinese backdoors. I'd buy that exact phone in a heartbeat if it didn't have those problems, and all the other ones I've seen have similar dealbreakers.

iPhone SE 3 was released in 2022

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by pessimizer »

jeffbee wrote: post #81

"Real Linux on a phone" sounds to me like the worst user experience imaginable. And the whole thing about "no phoning home" should be interpreted as "we have no idea whether the latest release is crashing in the wild or not".

You probably never used Maemo, whose UI (and also Palm's WebOS UI) were ripped off for later versions of Android and iOS, which wasn't even multitasking yet. Literally hired the same people to do them. Jolla started with the FOSS parts of Maemo but went proprietary.

If Nokia hadn't been intentionally destroyed by its board in a romance with Microsoft cash, through a Canadian snake, Maemo would have been a real contender. You can get an vague idea what it looked like from here: https://maemo-leste.github.io/

Also, I don't know what's motivating you to just make negative shit up from whole cloth. Where did Linux touch you?

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by cbolton »

attah_ wrote: post #86
cbolton wrote: post #61

The Linux phone that's more closed than Android, it's a hard sell for me.

Source please.

Look at the Wikipedia page, it's a mix of open source and proprietary copmonents. The OS project describes itself on https://sailfishos.org/info/ as "open source based" rather than "open source". It seems they have opened up some stuff since the last time I looked, but as far as I can tell the Silica UI is still proprietary. See for example https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/silica-components-license-and...
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