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Re: How to Attend Meetings

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post #7

I agree with each and every single slide in this presentation; I do. I also know that in each and every company I have ever worked for, none of this is going to fly. Especially, "Attending meetings is a choice." Just like paying taxes is a choice; got it. --- For decades, I have been asking for agendas; I have asked for clarification on what to do to prepare; I have even suggested that we have solid outcomes. None of…

> I also know that in each and every company I have ever worked for, none of this is going to fly. My favourite part of climbing the corporate ladder is finally having enough clout to just say "no". > I have been asking for agendas; I have asked for clarification on what to do to prepare; I have even suggested Try "I am unable to attend meeting without an agenda. Let me know when one has been posted." in your decline…

> My favourite part of climbing the corporate ladder is finally having enough clout to just say "no".

Well that's exactly the point- in most orgs, only high level people are granted the discretion to manage their time this way.

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#112
Oh the magical solution to "we are having too many meetings", which is always "let's have a meeting about too many meetings".

Saw it play out in five places already, I thought a 150 year old company would be over this by now

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#113

Elephant in the room: what about meetings where the purpose is to receive updates, maintain context on project progress, etc.? Yes, sometimes (often!) these meetings can be emails or messages — but sometimes it's important to be able to ask or even hear others ask questions, and to get a sense of how people are feeling directly. This seems to be missed by the author.

> sometimes it's important to be able to ask or even hear others ask questions, and to get a sense of how people are feeling directly

Or just hire adults who know how to proactively communicate issues and concerns without a group babysitting session?

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#114
post #87

The problem with time-bounding is it becomes an obsession with meeting optimization, and the content of the meeting comes secondary. "Ok let's quickly do X Y and Z so the meeting can be over and we can be outta here!" "Hey, it's been 8 minutes and we have only allocated 30 so we need to move to the next topic." Letting meetings be dictated by the clock has the effect of making them feel a bit like reading an executiv…

As someone who leads meetings and sets agendas, I’ve basically accepted there is no perfect meeting for everyone. I regularly get oscillating feedback. One day I’ll hear “We spent too long on a couple of topics and didn’t get to enough topics” then if we try to start limiting topics to a certain amount of time I’ll hear “we never actually _solve_ anything, it’s all just too high level!”. The best I can do when I lead…

> As someone who leads meetings and sets agendas, I’ve basically accepted there is no perfect meeting for everyone. I regularly get oscillating feedback. One day I’ll hear “We spent too long on a couple of topics and didn’t get to enough topics” then if we try to start limiting topics to a certain amount of time I’ll hear “we never actually _solve_ anything, it’s all just too high level!”.

Are you sure it's not that you're just bad at leading meetings?

I ask that tongue in cheek, but my thesis is the same. How are you measuring the positive criteria for a meeting? How would you know if some variable has a meaningful impact on said metrics? Are the metrics you're tracking the same metrics others are using, and if not how do you translate them?

Most meetings lack a clearly defined success criteria. Most attendees couldn't describe this criteria, even if pressed. Given my experience, that's the root problem.

People who are trying, often use "this meeting has an agenda" as criteria for if a meeting is likely to be useful. But this is a heuristic detached from what is actually important. Meetings are about, obtaining consensus, or uncovering some truth*. If your success criteria doesn't reflect either of these. It's much more accurately described as a waste of time, rather than a meeting.

Pretend meetings aren't a thing, you're requesting a significant amount of time from a number of people. Now, on top of that, add in the cost of context switching. You're proposing a completely novel approach to solving a specific problem. Define that problem.

Most of the meetings I've attended evaporate under that criteria.

Meetings without a doubt, solve real problems. But most meetings aren't solving any problems. They're checking boxes, because that's what people expect. Which results in the pattern you describe. it's either a waste of time, or a waste of time, in the other direction.

> The best I can do when I lead these is gauge the importance of each topic myself, which is not a perfect science, and allow time to run over for important topics.

It still sounds like to me, you're gauging the quality of a meeting, based mostly on the time cost. That shouldn't be considered*. Instead, assume you have infinite time. In this magical world, every sits in this room until you've arrived at [objective]. Pretend that amount of time might as well be infinite. Is the objective worth infinite time? Or can you still not describe the objective outside of the time cost?

> Sometimes, things just work out super well. We touch on everything people want to touch on, we fly through it and everyone leaves the meeting happy. If I’m honest though, the biggest predictor of that outcome seems to be the mood of people coming into the meeting. Meetings after long weekends get above-average reviews.

There's a nugget of truth, or more accurately reality behind this observation. Meetings that are rated positively, correlate strongly with context alignment. What concrete meaning have you taken from this critical observation?

If you have already have clear alignment, what impact should that have on the next meeting?

Imagine "next meeting" sounded like an absolutely ridiculous question, why would you ever consider having a "next meeting"? What a stupid question for some rando on the Internet to ask?!

Once you shift your thinking into being able to answer, why on earth, there would be a follow up meeting... You'll understand how to extract value from meetings.

Also, do note... sometimes meetings are just to hang out and shoot the shit. This might be more important than [average meeting] so don't undervalue the real benefits of spending time with coworkers! I've lost count of the number of difficult problems I've solved by casually ranting to a friend who asks smart questions. (which I take to mean, don't step on important conversations, for the sake of some bullshit agenda... try asking people if they felt like the conversations in a meeting were friendly and welcoming, see what that question does for your success criteria long term)

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#116
post #18

I wonder if the (AFAIK original to) Bridgewater technique of recording all meetings will spread. One thing I think that would have helped me quite a bit is to have a transcript (with speakers annotated) of a meeting. With a sufficiently advanced LLM summarizing, I could probably a handle a much larger volume of meetings where I needed to know what was going on just as a tail-risk capturer. e.g. if someone has a meeti…

I kind of hate being recorded. I get very concerned I'll say something incorrect and end up being overly cautious.

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#117

Had an idea These are ideals but in reality your boss calls a meeting you go and forget the rules. So... What if there were decoy meetings. Useless fake ones where if you accept you get a reminder of the rules. People are motivated by power lines so doing this reverses it so that non attendance or thinking about attendance is aligned.

Thanks Michael Scott.

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#118
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I echo the parents sentiment - I don’t need to be there for a one hour meeting while 12 people give a perspective on a topic, but if you make the wrong decision I will say no. My job as a higher level manager is to ensure that whoever is there on our behalf avoids stupid decisions being made, and if I can’t delegate that then I need to go myself. Sometimes its unavoidable, and sometimes politics prevail but 95% of th…

> if you make the wrong decision I will say no While I know your heart is in the right place, as someone with a reporting structure on both sides, I can tell you that this kind of handholding is the entire reason they keep making bad decisions. You must let people fail, and from there your entire job is ensuring that winding back that decision is the responsibility of the people who made it. Few decisions are irrever…

I think you’re reading into a hip fire comment here - I’m not saying I’ll override any decision you make that i disagree with. Simply that if push comes to shove my team should feel empowered to make a decision and bring it to me for “ass covering” knowing that I will challenge them on it if I disagree, but also feeling confident that they know how I’ll feel about it before they make that call. I trust them to do this without me there.

Blindly allowing someone to make a bad call without questioning it is as bad as overruling their call without any explanation!

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#119
> If you don't schedule it, it's not real

Personally I find this kind of approach infantilizing. I don't think it's fair to have an expectation of yourself or of your colleagues to spell out in Google Calendar what you/they are spending their time doing throughout the day. People should look at gaps in people's diaries not as opportunities for new meetings, but as time someone is probably spending doing something important or interesting.

Re: How to Attend Meetings

#120
Red flag: the meeting has more than 10 attendees (maybe even fewer).

Decline.

Meetings with more than 10 attendees usually means only one - maybe 2-3 - people are talking.

This can be recorded and shared out.

Don’t make me sit through a monologue at 1x, with most of the content not relevant to me.

We don’t need all-hands meetings. Have the execs get together if they must, record the presentation, and send out the recording.

Viewing should be optional, since likely only middle management cares about it anyway.

They can, then, disseminate the relevant info to their teams, if there’s anything that’s relevant (the relevant bits can likely be summed up in 60 seconds).

Meetings only make sense if all parties invited will be talking, or all the information shared is highly relevant to them.

Otherwise, there are better forms of communicating the information other than a synchronous meeting.

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