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Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by pandaman »

queenkjuul wrote: post #107
pandaman wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police reports do not include charges, DA office charges, police reports just describe what happened... What you experience now is called "cognitive dissonance" - the thing you want to believe is proven to be not true and you are making things up to keep believing it.

And I've seen the DA charge bike thieves. What evidence do you have to support your claims that people choose not to bike because of theft, and that theft isn't prosecuted based on housing status? Why do you use homeless as a noun to refer to people?

>And I've seen the DA charge bike thieves.

Really? After finding out that the police reports you have also "seen" do not actually include charges you now have seen the DA pressing charges while strolling through the court house and walking into random arraignment hearings, I presume? And you probably did not catch any names of the perpetrators, right?

>What evidence do you have to support your claims that people choose not to bike because of theft

Talk to people perhaps? I figure you don't bike and people you know don't either, so, instead of a court house how about hanging at an LBS and asking people working there and the customers?

>and that theft isn't prosecuted based on housing status

That's not something I claimed, I said that bike theft is not prosecuted period. But homeless also are not charged with the whole bunch of crimes they commit regularly: trespassing, public intoxication, traffic violations, disturbance of peace etc. You can ask a local PD or inquiry your DA office about that.

>Why do you use homeless as a noun to refer to people?

Because it's a noun referring to such people? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20homeless

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by petermcneeley »

queenkjuul wrote: post #102
petermcneeley wrote: post #98

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Sounds very unpleasant. How do you get groceries? To me this is like having to fetch water from a well rather than using pipes.

Uh, i go to a grocery store? How do you get groceries?

With my car.

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by queenkjuul »

pandaman wrote: post #111
queenkjuul wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I've seen the DA charge bike thieves. What evidence do you have to support your claims that people choose not to bike because of theft, and that theft isn't prosecuted based on housing status? Why do you use homeless as a noun to refer to people?

>And I've seen the DA charge bike thieves. Really? After finding out that the police reports you have also "seen" do not actually include charges you now have seen the DA pressing charges while strolling through the court house and walking into random arraignment hearings, I presume? And you probably did not catch any names of the perpetrators, right? >What evidence do you have to support your claims that people choo…

But you aren't referring to "the homeless," you're referring to "homeless." It's strange, and i don't think it's unintentional.

Anyway, i know for absolute fact that bike thieves have been charged by the Chicago DA. Here's proof: https://cwbchicago.com/2024/09/man-stole-bike-from-cta-stati...

So there. I can prove the DA is willing to charge bike thieves, you have a bunch of conjecture scapegoating homeless people and denying reality.

> Talk to people perhaps

I talk to people at bike shops, i talk to my coworkers, i talk to people at the bars, i talk to my friends. Unlike you, i live here, i bike nearly everywhere, and follow local media/social media. The problems you're describing aren't real and you've done nothing to prove they are.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2016/7/3/18365620/chicago-parol...

https://abc7chicago.com/post/teens-charged-in-attempted-bike...

https://www.oakpark.com/2009/07/28/7-arrested-on-bike-theft-...

You can present evidence for your claims at any time

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by queenkjuul »

tptacek wrote: post #106
queenkjuul wrote: post #105

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Oh I'm not saying the bikes are recovered. Really the only points I'm willing to push are: 1. Theft is not a major deterrent for people considering whether or not to ride a bike, 2. Homeless people are not spared from prosecution, nor are they particularly more likely to steal bikes. You're definitely not wrong about recovery, but that's a somewhat different issue than "DAs refuse to prosecute thieves based on housin…

I agree with you about (2) but not with (1). In fact, for a lot of my bikey friends, theft is a huge consideration for which bikes they'll take where. I think the big point you're trying to make here is well taken! I just wouldn't want to create the impression that CPD is going to do anything meaningful about bike theft. :)

Yeah but those people haven't chosen not to bike entirely because their bike might be stolen, they won't take their nicest bike to sketchy areas. To me that's a meaningfully different thing than what the person arguing is claiming.

Don't get me wrong, I'd never wanna give anyone the impression CPD is ever going to do anything useful at all lol :)

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by pandaman »

queenkjuul wrote: post #113
pandaman wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And I've seen the DA charge bike thieves. Really? After finding out that the police reports you have also "seen" do not actually include charges you now have seen the DA pressing charges while strolling through the court house and walking into random arraignment hearings, I presume? And you probably did not catch any names of the perpetrators, right? >What evidence do you have to support your claims that people choo…

But you aren't referring to "the homeless," you're referring to "homeless." It's strange, and i don't think it's unintentional. Anyway, i know for absolute fact that bike thieves have been charged by the Chicago DA. Here's proof: https://cwbchicago.com/2024/09/man-stole-bike-from-cta-stati... So there. I can prove the DA is willing to charge bike thieves, you have a bunch of conjecture scapegoating homeless people an…

>It's strange, and i don't think it's unintentional.

How do people call the homeless in Chicago? I've lived on the West Coast, in the South, and in the Midwest (not in Illinois though), and people called them "homeless" everywhere. It's obviously intentional because I am referring to the homeless and it would be strange to call them something else.

>Anyway, i know for absolute fact that bike thieves have been charged by the Chicago DA. Here's proof

Wow, a story from more than a year ago. It does seem you are correct, bike theft is so rare in Chicago and the police is vigilant, the last bike thief they caught was probably that guy and they did not have any bikes stolen since lol

As I said, bike thieves are never charged statistically. Surely there are some unlucky ones like that individual, who probably stole from somebody connected to the police. But, again, visit an encampment and observe hundreds of bikes and parts there. Those are not bought in stores.

> Unlike you, i live here, i bike nearly everywhere, and follow local media/social media. The problems you're describing aren't real and you've done nothing to prove they are.

Right, you bike everywhere and yet you never had bike stolen and don't know anybody who had a bike stolen. In Chicago, no less.

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by queenkjuul »

pandaman wrote: post #115
queenkjuul wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you aren't referring to "the homeless," you're referring to "homeless." It's strange, and i don't think it's unintentional. Anyway, i know for absolute fact that bike thieves have been charged by the Chicago DA. Here's proof: https://cwbchicago.com/2024/09/man-stole-bike-from-cta-stati... So there. I can prove the DA is willing to charge bike thieves, you have a bunch of conjecture scapegoating homeless people an…

>It's strange, and i don't think it's unintentional. How do people call the homeless in Chicago? I've lived on the West Coast, in the South, and in the Midwest (not in Illinois though), and people called them "homeless" everywhere. It's obviously intentional because I am referring to the homeless and it would be strange to call them something else. >Anyway, i know for absolute fact that bike thieves have been charged…

> Right, you bike everywhere and yet you never had bike stolen and don't know anybody who had a bike stolen. In Chicago, no less.

This is correct.

1. You said theft is the main reason people don't bike. Prove it.

2. You said homeless people aren't prosecuted for theft. Prove it.

We refer to "homeless people" as "homeless people," we don't just say "homeless" as if they're something different than a person (and don't be sly, you never said "the homeless," you said "homeless," alone, using the adjective as a noun, which seems intentionally degrading)

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by pandaman »

queenkjuul wrote: post #116
pandaman wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's strange, and i don't think it's unintentional. How do people call the homeless in Chicago? I've lived on the West Coast, in the South, and in the Midwest (not in Illinois though), and people called them "homeless" everywhere. It's obviously intentional because I am referring to the homeless and it would be strange to call them something else. >Anyway, i know for absolute fact that bike thieves have been charged…

> Right, you bike everywhere and yet you never had bike stolen and don't know anybody who had a bike stolen. In Chicago, no less. This is correct. 1. You said theft is the main reason people don't bike. Prove it. 2. You said homeless people aren't prosecuted for theft. Prove it. We refer to "homeless people" as "homeless people," we don't just say "homeless" as if they're something different than a person (and don't…

I also said that this is the ultimate urban leftist conundrum and you are the proof.

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by queenkjuul »

pandaman wrote: post #117
queenkjuul wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right, you bike everywhere and yet you never had bike stolen and don't know anybody who had a bike stolen. In Chicago, no less. This is correct. 1. You said theft is the main reason people don't bike. Prove it. 2. You said homeless people aren't prosecuted for theft. Prove it. We refer to "homeless people" as "homeless people," we don't just say "homeless" as if they're something different than a person (and don't…

I also said that this is the ultimate urban leftist conundrum and you are the proof.

That's not what you said, and you've got zero proof of anything

Re: Copenhagenize Index 2025: The Global Ranking of Bicycle-Friendly Cities

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Post by mperham »

aallaall wrote: post #11
mperham wrote: post #10

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Are you a time traveler from 2010 who's never heard of e-bikes?

Do you think it’s a coincidence that the top two countries are completely flat?

No, but I think it’s because e-bikes have only come into widespread use in the last decade. It takes decades to build high quality infrastructure and those countries are the ones that could make bikes work for the general population before e-bikes were available.
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