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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by flag_fagger »

vfclists wrote: post #110
prasadjoglekar wrote: post #11

TLDR: he's a member of the ICC. Issues warrants against Israeli political leaders. Neither Israel nor the USA (nor China, Russia, India) are parties to the international conventions that formed the ICC. He's being sanctioned as a result by the USA, which flowed down to US companies who must follow US law.

If the sanctioned Israeli politicians and military commanders think those warrants are baseless, why don't they appear before the courts to defend themselves? This isn't really about the ICC judges. It is about the failure of the major Western countries who are part of the ICC to come to the defence of the judges who they have appointed to make those decisions, and the control Israeli politicians exercise over the Wh…

> Americans don't seem to understand how the moral character of their politicians and their political system is relentlessly degraded by the so called Israel lobby, or they don't care, or have resigned themselves to it.

I mean, it’s causing a small rift in the GOP. Time will tell if that escalates any though. I stand firm in my believe that nothing ever happens though.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by sfifs »

hardlianotion wrote: post #54
petcat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine, judging by the last article I read that gave Ukraine until Thursday to accept the latest peace deal negotiated between USA and Russia. If we are in the world you describe, EU might as well do as it wants - its downside has been capped.

I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by immibis »

breppp wrote: post #89
netsharc wrote: post #56

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Is this how you win the arguments in your head? Your opponent uses the word "genocide", you concluded turning Gaza into rubble with kids and many more innocents underneath them doesn't fit the term "genocide", and you further conclude whatever claim your opponent is trying to make is wrong, and therefore there aren't a few hundred thousand dead civilians, ah the whole accusation is just fictional, they all actually l…

no, I am saying war is not genocide. And protecting your own civilians from very real death squads going on executing rampage is not "genocide" it's called war, which might be terrible but sometimes you can't evade

You're talking about Hamas, right? hamas are the ones who tried to fight back against death squads and are now suffering the consequences of that?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by immibis »

breppp wrote: post #108
watwut wrote: post #100

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> Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers. The attempt to starve them was intentional too. There was even open rhetoric about that.

> They were literally intentionally directed at civilian population. With special focus on healthcare workers no, they were directed at the militant organizations in Gaza while the civilian population was warned to evacuate in advance. the only thing you can base this on is the fact hamas intentionally does not publish its dead, all of the casualties are "civilians", and Hamas was caught either converting dead milita…

Can you explain what happened to Hind Rajab? She was the five year old girl who was the only survivor of a missile attack and managed to call emergency services, and so humanitarians called up Israel and agreed to clear a specific path where they wouldn't be shot so they could save the little girl, and they drove a van with a big red cross painted on top on that exact route, and when they got to the little girl and got out of the ambulance, they were all murdered by a precisely targeted missile aimed at the precise coordinates they gave to Israel, set for the precise time when the ambulance would get there, and there was nobody else around who could be a target since they all died in the first missile attack that only the little girl survived? Can you explain how that is not intentional targeting of civilians and medical personnel?

I suppose you'll just say it didn't happen, but if it did, the medics were Hamas.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

a2tech wrote: post #105
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #101

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As a seventh generation American, war veteran who has been in public service for 22 of my 25 working years and mixed race person, America has literally never organizationally been any of the things you describe. We are a nation of selfish, narcissists that have no concept of consistent long lasting care based communities. What little care we give each other is mediated through transactions or cult based social alignm…

Any nation made up of human beings is going to be flawed. The way forward is via incremental change and compromise. Forcing societal change does not, and never has, worked.

The only thing that consistently “works” is the collective scientific process of hypothesis testing

Everything else is fantasy coping mechanisms to maintain in/out group distance so that people feel temporal “safety”

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by immibis »

sfifs wrote: post #113
hardlianotion wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine, judging by the last article I read that gave Ukraine until Thursday to accept the latest peace deal negotiated between USA and Russia. If we are in the world you describe, EU might as well do as it wants - its downside has been capped.

I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by immibis »

petcat wrote: post #106
anal_reactor wrote: post #95

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>and China That's the biggest question of the century. Imagine that EU and China make a deal, and they backstab US and Russia respectively. EU and China are physically so far away from each other that there's no way they'd actually run into direct conflict, meanwhile by backstabbing, both of them could easily get what they want. What I'm trying to say is that if you flipped the alliances and aligned EU with China and…

> China becomes the world's #1 superpower, while EU remains undisputable #2 How does EU even remotely benefit from this bizarre fantasy scenario where it flips alliances toward China? The fundamentals don't change. EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything. China would only exploit the partnership even more than they already do.

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ta20240528 »

chatmasta wrote: post #40
enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN. The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war. If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?

"The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN."

Yet two of the most powerful thugs: Putin and Netanyahu won't go near an ICC signatory state.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by IAmBroom »

gessha wrote: post #28
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #4

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I don't think that's true. Lots of countries out there led by thugs. It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing (not that it always succeeded, but it did its best). Looks like that time has passed.

> used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously The US looked like it stood out but it has its own internal and external legal problems such as slavery, Native American repressions, the legacy of slavery, anti-Asian policies, coup-ing foreign countries, etc etc etc

You are conflating morality with legal jurisprudence.

The US obeyed its own (highly immoral) laws on slavery, genocide of Native Americans, etc.

I'll give you the point about promoting coups in foreign countries (couping is actually the verb).

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