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Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by dghf »

arethuza wrote: post #7
dghf wrote: post #4

I don't think having the Scoti in the northeast of what is now Scotland from 300 BC to 1 BC inclusive is right. I don't think the term appeared until ~300 AD , and it originally applied to people from Ireland: it only later came to be applied to the inhabitants of northern Britain when Irish became commonly spoken there (whether by immigration, conquest, or deliberate self-Gaelicisation under the influence of Irish m…

Indeed, and having the "Scoti" replaced by the "Picts" isn't terribly accurate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1l_Riata Edit: The "Scots" are supposed to have conquered the Picts in the mid 9th century leading to what would eventually become Scotland.

More recently, the idea that the Picts conquered the Scots (which they'd done once before, in the eighth century) and adopted their language (something which they seem to have already started on) has gained ground.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by nuggetzs »

pell wrote: post #22
kbrannigan wrote: post #15

The issue is that the timeline is built in a Eurocentric way. Europe (and the Near East) are shown as the starting point of history, while Africa, Asia, and the Americas only appear when Europeans make contact with them. This hides thousands of years of independent development in those regions—empires, and creates the false impression that they had no real history before Europe showed up. It repeats an old colonial s…

Similarly overlooked is the philosophy of the Americas before European colonization. A great read I recommend to anyone who’s interested: “ Aztec Philosophy: Understanding a World in Motion” by James Maffie It obviously only focuses on the Aztecs so hardly a deep dive on all there is to learn.

Thanks for the rec!

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by Jolter »

standardUser wrote: post #102
Jolter wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook was not ”human progress”. Future historians will point to its founding as a pivotal point of regression of democracy and humanity.

You could say the same about fossil fuels, moreso perhaps, but we don't, because that would be pedantic.

Well, there’s no need to be pedantic about that particular point, because nobody put fossil fuels on the list of human progress.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by milst »

zulko wrote: post #36

Total plug but this year I scraped 400,000 wikipedia pages with Gemini to create landnotes.org, an atlas where you can ask "what happened in Japan in 1923": https://landnotes.org/?location=xnd284b0-6&date=1923&strictD... https://github.com/Zulko/landnotes My plan has been to overlay historical map borders on top of it, like the Geacron one from this post, but they all seem to be protected by copyright - and understan…

very cool. Made something with a similar idea, but using timelines instead of maps. I wonder if the two could be combined in some way https://timeline-of-everything.milst.dev/

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by milst »

mg wrote: post #20

I always wanted something like a "History of human progress" which when zoomed out shows me something like this: -2000000 Stone tools -1000000 Using fire -6000 Metal tools -6000 Agriculture -4000 Writing 1550 Printing 1888 Telephones 1888 Cars 1903 Planes 1941 Penicillin 1941 First computer 1982 Homecomputers 1983 Mobile phones 1990 The internet 2001 Wikipedia 2004 Facebook 2007 IPhone 2022 ChatGPT And then I can zoo…

started something like this, but without the "zoom" https://timeline-of-everything.milst.dev/

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by BurningFrog »

Jolter wrote: post #113
standardUser wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say the same about fossil fuels, moreso perhaps, but we don't, because that would be pedantic.

Well, there’s no need to be pedantic about that particular point, because nobody put fossil fuels on the list of human progress.

I've seen estimates that world population would be billions fewer without fossil fuels.

They have big costs, but also big benefits.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by tgbugs »

I like to compare these to CENTENNIA [0,1], which was the first program like this that I ever encountered (back in 6th grade). My test, is to see whether the program records the Napoleonic wars. This one does not.

0. https://historicalatlas.com/download/ 1. https://youtu.be/WFYKrNptzXw?t=64

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by School-Cotton »

maratc wrote: post #109
School-Cotton wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the world maps in both PRC and ROC show one China, not two That is irrelevant. The map is not the territory. They are two countries in reality; that is, they operate as two separate sovereign countries in every practical way, regardless of what legal fictions are maintained for political reasons. This atlas is presumably supposed to be about reality, not about legal fictions. (BTW: North Korea and South Korea offic…

> They are two countries in reality It only looks like this from the West, where the support for independent Taiwan is much higher than in Taiwan itself (not to speak of PRC where it's non-existent.) People in Taiwan don't perceive China as a different country (the way that French perceive Germany for example) but rather as a different (unfortunate) regime over the same nation. > This atlas is presumably supposed to…

> It only looks like this from the West, where the support for independent Taiwan is much higher than in Taiwan itself (not to speak of PRC where it's non-existent.) People in Taiwan don't perceive China as a different country (the way that French perceive Germany for example) but rather as a different (unfortunate) regime over the same nation.

I think this misses the point. It doesn't matter if 0% or 50% or 100% of people in Taiwan or anywhere else believe that Taiwan is legitimately independent. That has no bearing on whether it actually is, in practice.

An "Atlas of World History" should strive to portray who actually controls territory in the real world, regardless of whether that control is "recognized" or "legitimate". Otherwise it is an "Atlas of Political Thought" or "Atlas of International Law" or something else.

> With the current reality in east Ukraine/Georgia/Northern Cyprus/Israel-Palestine/Kosovo/etc.etc.etc.,

Yes exactly. For the same reasons, Crimea and various parts of East Ukraine should be labeled as part of Russia, East Jerusalem and places like Ari'el should be labeled as part of Israel, etc. This has nothing to do with whether I think any of those borders would be "legitimate" or "legal" or what percentage of the people who live there accept them.

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