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Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by xigoi »

stackskipton wrote: post #38
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #14

Nice to see, but unfortunately it's not uncommon for orgs using Outlook/Office to disable Exchange client support and require use of the official clients. It's highly unlikely and maybe not even possible, but I'd like to see desktop and mobile mail clients implement some kind of workaround.

Microsoft plays wack a mole with 3rd party clients trying to gain access when it's been disabled so it's thankless job for their developers. Not to mention, if I'm disabling your third party access, trying to circumvent is Employee policy violation and you get to talk to HR about why you don't want to play by the rules.

> Not to mention, if I'm disabling your third party access, trying to circumvent is Employee policy violation and you get to talk to HR about why you don't want to play by the rules.

If you want your employees to install malware, maybe you should issue them a company device instead of requiring them to install it on their personal device.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by cookiengineer »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #98
nashashmi wrote: post #81

I’d be more excited for thunderbird if it worked on an open source alternative to EXCHANGE SERVER. Firefox and thunderbird are clients. But it is time they launched servers as well. There might not be any advantage to another https server. But a new mail server with a new email client protocol would be exciting. And maybe a WebDAV server that Firefox could work with natively.

There are several open source mail server options available. The only real new protocol is JMAP which is pretty good and I’d much rather more clients and servers support JMAP than create a new protocol altogether.

I can recommend trying out Mox as an email server. The author built everything from scratch and does a lot of great work when it comes to unifying everything. The wizard spits out all the discovery, DKIM, DMARC, DANE and MTA STS related subdomains you have to change the entries of (that is the most painful part) but everything else really works like a charm.

Much much easier installation process than weeks of trying to make postfix and dovecot work.

[1] https://xmox.nl

[2] https://www.xmox.nl/protocols/

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by aidenn0 »

datenyan wrote: post #108
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients... If there are people who have never used a desktop mail client, I will say you owe it to yourself to try one. Web clients suck compared to desktop clients, it's not even close between the two. Sticking with just the Gmail interface (or whatever) is so limiting; definitely give alternatives a shot if you haven't.

> Sticking with just the Gmail interface (or whatever) is so limiting Perhaps it's the fact that I grew up with Gmail throughout my education (and now my career), but most local clients lack one key feature - quick move! My entire workflow around emails is based around opening & reading them, and then using the "Quick Move" button in Gmail to move it into a specific folder by typing the first few letters of the folde…

Gnome evolution has shift-ctrl-v to move to a folder with typeahead search. I don't use the gmail webclient so I can't say how it compares.

I should note that I mostly use the emacs notmuch mail client, which requires having the mail mirrored locally (which I do with e.g. isync/mbsync), but gives really responsive and rich search and tagging capabilities

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by aidenn0 »

tombert wrote: post #106
bnchrch wrote: post #3

While its been a long time since Ive used Thunderbird, I just wanted to take the time to publicly say thank you. Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients but basically during the height of MSFT dominance there was only one real mail client: Outlook. Which Microsoft was starting to monetize heavily, ignore UX, and keep it windows only (cant blame them for that). Then Thunderbird ar…

What, you don't think people were flocking over to Mutt? When I was first getting into Linux, I liked Evolution a lot, though admittedly I haven't used it in awhile. Honestly I haven't really used Mutt in awhile either; webmail is just easier.

Evolution is great; it's also had outlook EWS (including Oauth2) support for several years now. I am still mystified as to why Thunderbird is so much more popular (though nice to see that thunderbird is getting some much needed TLC more recently).

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by KetoManx64 »

mstngl wrote: post #69

So far this extension was a solution for accessing Mail-Accounts hosted on Exchange and even O365 by using OWA in a miraculous manner. It‘s not easy to overlook how this compares for simple end-user. Owl for Thunderbird https://reviewers.addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/a...

Was and still is a solution. I use this functionality daily and it just works. Very satisfied to be able to use Thunderbird on my work Linux install.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by psittacus »

nashashmi wrote: post #81

I’d be more excited for thunderbird if it worked on an open source alternative to EXCHANGE SERVER. Firefox and thunderbird are clients. But it is time they launched servers as well. There might not be any advantage to another https server. But a new mail server with a new email client protocol would be exciting. And maybe a WebDAV server that Firefox could work with natively.

Take a look at Open-Xchange, it's not developed by Thunderbird folks but otherwise fits the bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-Xchange

mailbox.org is based on it.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by impendia »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #95
bnchrch wrote: post #3

While its been a long time since Ive used Thunderbird, I just wanted to take the time to publicly say thank you. Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients but basically during the height of MSFT dominance there was only one real mail client: Outlook. Which Microsoft was starting to monetize heavily, ignore UX, and keep it windows only (cant blame them for that). Then Thunderbird ar…

> Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients... If there are people who have never used a desktop mail client, I will say you owe it to yourself to try one. Web clients suck compared to desktop clients, it's not even close between the two. Sticking with just the Gmail interface (or whatever) is so limiting; definitely give alternatives a shot if you haven't.

I tried a couple of them, and they both started downloading my entire backlog of email to my hard drive, which I didn't want.

I couldn't think of a reason why this would be necessary, but I haven't really kept up with how the technology has evolved in recent years. Is this behavior intrinsic to desktop clients?

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by globular-toast »

impendia wrote: post #117
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients... If there are people who have never used a desktop mail client, I will say you owe it to yourself to try one. Web clients suck compared to desktop clients, it's not even close between the two. Sticking with just the Gmail interface (or whatever) is so limiting; definitely give alternatives a shot if you haven't.

I tried a couple of them, and they both started downloading my entire backlog of email to my hard drive, which I didn't want. I couldn't think of a reason why this would be necessary, but I haven't really kept up with how the technology has evolved in recent years. Is this behavior intrinsic to desktop clients?

You can't think of a reason why you'd want a local copy of your mail? Do you have control over any of your data?

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by kmarc »

pr3dr49 wrote: post #58

Sweet memories of several email clients mentioned here. I also remember the mail client built into the old Norsk version of Opera. I loved that, a much as I loved that browser. I take it mutt still does not have native Microsoft Exchange support?

Davmail is the shim I used to proxy OWA / exchange ansmd present an IMAP interface towards neomutt. Used this setup with three companies, worked well, and unified the UX instead of the different Gmail and Outlook web slowness.

Re: Thunderbird adds native Microsoft Exchange email support

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Post by crossroadsguy »

bnchrch wrote: post #3

While its been a long time since Ive used Thunderbird, I just wanted to take the time to publicly say thank you. Many HNers probably wont (or cant) remember the world of desktop mail clients but basically during the height of MSFT dominance there was only one real mail client: Outlook. Which Microsoft was starting to monetize heavily, ignore UX, and keep it windows only (cant blame them for that). Then Thunderbird ar…

Thunderbird is the only MOZ product that I still use daily - almost at par with Mail.app if not more, and I hope to keep using it unless they eventually release the iOS Thunderbird after making it unrecognisable to me and ensuring that some of the differentiating Thunderbird features are missing – like the ability to send email from any address on a domain by just editing the "From" field - of course, it will work only if you own that domain. But it's a feature I can't do without (and utilise it a lot on desktop). Then there are forever pending things like maildir support :)
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